Pavlik's Stamina & Work rate will be the difference

HateHateHate · Aug 31, 2008

I have never felt comfortable betting against Hopkins, the dude is just bad, but Pavlik will bring the pressure and Hopkins has to wear down. I mean, he has to right?

catasyou · Aug 31, 2008

HateHateHate said:

I have never felt comfortable betting against Hopkins, the dude is just bad, but Pavlik will bring the pressure and Hopkins has to wear down. I mean, he has to right?
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Nope

pasky2000 · Aug 31, 2008

Scar said:

Same thing against Taylor twice then he fights Tarver at a new weight and is very active in every round, can't understand Hopkins lately.

Hopkins beats Pavlik by UD. :thumbsup
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Very active in a Hopkins perspective but not really that busy if compared to guys like Calzaghe, Pavlik and Margarito...

Hopkins has started slowing his pace down over the years..mainly starting with the Howard Eastman fight !!

Hermit · Aug 31, 2008

thunder said:

When did he fight at 170?
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boxrec.com

Hermit · Aug 31, 2008

youngmonzon said:

This may be wishful thinking. If he was fighting some one old or had some other advantage I could believe it. But Pavlik has too much and the Calzaghe fight took a lot out of Bernard.
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OH GOD NO! It was a split decision. Let's not start trying to make out that Calzaghe RUINED Hopkins.......

catasyou · Aug 31, 2008

Hermit said:

boxrec.com
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I know he never fought at 170, I was asking them

Hermit · Aug 31, 2008

san rafael said:

First of all, I had Hopkins winning that fight. If you think that Calzaghe won 9 out of 12 rounds you have reinforced my assertion that you can't point out the hard, meaningful - or generally existant punches that were landed by Calzaghe. You don't win professional prizefights by bull rushing and flailing your arms about like a ****** hitting air and shoulders.
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Well, according to what you state here, it DOES happen. :-(

Hermit · Aug 31, 2008

san rafael said:

Excellent point, Hopkins did a masterful job of making the more active Wright waste energy. Give Hopkins the right opponent and he can do everything, including slashing their tires.
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I just saw this fight for the first time recently and was shocked to see Winky lunging and swinging. Don't expect the same from the poor old slow, plodding Pavlik.

Scar · Aug 31, 2008

thunder said:

I know he never fought at 170, I was asking them
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Then why do they state he fought at 170?, I openly admit that I don't know much about Pavlik's early career, only started to follow him from the Miranda fight onwards.

catasyou · Aug 31, 2008

Scar said:

Then why do they state he fought at 170?, I openly admit that I don't know much about Pavlik's early career, only started to follow him from the Miranda fight onwards.
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Who stated?The guy never was 170 lbs on the scales before Bernard(in october).He wasn't the same at 164,imagine at 170

Scar · Aug 31, 2008

thunder said:

Who stated?The guy never was 170 lbs on the scales before Bernard(in october).He wasn't the same at 164,imagine at 170
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His record on boxrec states he was very close to it in two fights, especially his fight with Olds which was 169 for him and 170 for Olds, meaning the fight was at 170. I know you are going to say that Bernard is no Olds, trust me I haven't joined boxing 2 days ago to need you to tell me that but as you asked if he fought at that weight before or not I'm just stating he did based on his record on boxrec.

Hermit · Aug 31, 2008

thunder said:

Who stated?The guy never was 170 lbs on the scales before Bernard(in october).He wasn't the same at 164,imagine at 170
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Boo already stated he hurt both hands. It was his first time out after he won the title. He still out boxed Taylor. It may have been a better win than the first bout. Don't under estimate what having the money to be a true FULL TIME BOXER has done for him either. He really trains hard. He has been working hard on his defense. Don't expect him to be fat, slow and lazy at 170. It isn't like he will be putting weight on for this fight. He will be training just as hard without the weight loss aspects.

catasyou · Aug 31, 2008

Scar said:

His record on boxrec states he was very close to it in two fights, especially his fight with Olds which was 169 for him and 170 for Olds, meaning the fight was at 170. I know you are going to say that Bernard is no Olds, trust me I haven't joined boxing 2 days ago to need you to tell me that but as you asked if he fought at that weight before or not I'm just stating he did based on his record on boxrec.
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Look what I said.I said he never was 170 lbs on the scales which is true,nevermind 1 lb doesn't matter that much,Pavlik is losing his 0

catasyou · Aug 31, 2008

Hermit said:

Boo already stated he hurt both hands. It was his first time out after he won the title. He still out boxed Taylor. It may have been a better win than the first bout. Don't under estimate what having the money to be a true FULL TIME BOXER has done for him either. He really trains hard. He has been working hard on his defense. Don't expect him to be fat, slow and lazy at 170. It isn't like he will be putting weight on for this fight. He will be training just as hard without the weight loss aspects.
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Never said he isn't training hard,I'm sure he is based on what I saw on Pavlik I just think Bernard is gonna school him

youngmonzon · Aug 31, 2008

raiderjay said:

The two big questions for me in this fight is whether Pavlik's stamina takes a hit from missing so many punches early and also whether Hopkins can get anything done after the 6th round.

Hopkins will make Pavlik miss early more often than Pavlik ever has in his career due to Hopkins fantastic defense. Hopkins has faded in almost every category, EXCEPT for his ability to make his opponent miss, especially early in the fight. As we all know, it takes more out of a fighter to miss his target completely than it does to land on the gloves. Pavlik loves to stay active and land on his opponents gloves, which eventually breaks down his opponent and opens them up later on in the fight. I think that Hopkins will make him miss completely quite a bit and what effect will this have on Pavlik's stamina, and also his mentality?

IF Pavlik can make it past the 6th round or so and still have enough energy to keep the punch level up (with power) and pressure Hopkins, then we very well may see Hopkins stopped late.

What is scary for Hopkins is that against Calzaghe, Joe was not punching at the same output as normal for him (probably due to age), and yet Hopkins was still having problems with him. Joe also was slapping even more than usual for him (which is saying a lot) and more than likely Pavlik's shots are going to be much more stiff and take more out of Hopkins as the fight progresses. Also, with Calzaghe being a southpaw, and squaring up quite a bit, he was taylor-made for Hopkins to land his sneaky right hand. This is the only weapon that Hopkins has left at this point and getting it home against the orthodox stance and 6 foot 2 inch height of Pavlik will prove to be very difficult.

The other thing that does not bode well for Hopkins is that he made a career out of having a decided height and general strength advantage at middleweight, but Pavlik will end up being considerably bigger than most of his previous opponents, even bigger than the Supermiddle Calzaghe. The only time Hopkins fought someone bigger than Pavlik would be against Tarver, but once again we saw Hopkins have success being a counter puncher against a southpaw and pretty much only land his right hand.

I like both fighters, but to me it is fairly obvious that Pavlik has just too much on his side, other than experience. He is younger, hungrier, stronger, better work rate, power and his time is now. Hopkins time has come and gone. I just hope that Bernard goes the full 12 rounds without getting seriously hurt, but realizes that it is time to hang them up.
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I agree with all this. I also believe Hopkins will make Pavlik miss more than he is used to early. However, I do not think this will last for six rounds. I believe Pavlik's jab is very underrated and will start to find the mark early. This will set up right hands that will increasingly land with authority. Also, if Pavlik going down against Taylor in the first fight did not discourage him, Hopkins making him miss a bit will not either.

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