PBF beats Pac...not so fast!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by BizarroRJJ, Sep 22, 2009.


  1. BizarroRJJ

    BizarroRJJ Active Member Full Member

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    I know many are saying and now thinking that a PBF vs Pacman fight will most likely be one-sided in favor of PBF after seeing the Marquez fight. While there are many reasons to think this may be the case, there is at least one reason to think otherwise:

    Malinaggi vs Hatton.

    What do I mean by this? Well, how does a "greatly skilled/fast" boxer like Malinaggi lose to a brawling not technical Hatton? And how does this same brawling Hatton get beaten up by Floyd and run over by Pacman? Ill tell you how. No matter how much you can compare fighter styles, each fighter is different no matter how similar their boxing style may be--so many intangibles from psych to conditioning etc.

    My thought is if a greatly skilled boxer like Malinaggi can go 12 rounds with Cotto and be TKO'd by Hatton, why cant Pacman be "Hatton" and PBF be "Malinaggi"? And yes, I realize that PBF defense is on a completely different level then Paulies as well as his skills overall. But my point being: Just because PBF has beaten fighters with a similar style to Pacman, he has never faced him and it doesnt always follow suit that he will dominate this PARTICULAR BOXER, even though he has dominated boxers with a similar style. Paulie should have been able to outbox, outpoint Hatton, for some reason he couldnt.

    I personally think PBF would most likely beat Pacman, but I dont see it out of the possibility that Pacman can put on a fight and potentially defeat PBF, even though Pacmans 'fight style" supposedly lends itself to be completely dominated by PBF. And this could even be the case if Pacman loses to Cotto but still ends up fighting PBF down the road.
     
  2. Bad_Intentions

    Bad_Intentions Boxing Addict Full Member

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    PBF beats Pac:

    Height/reach advantage
    He's too big, and too fast.
     
  3. janeschicken

    janeschicken hard work! deadicayshin! Full Member

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    While you bring up some good points, my main objection to Pac/ PBF is more based on size than anything else. As soon as tony weeks brought them both to the centre of the ring, I knew PBF/JMM was a mismatch. Floyd is HUGE by comparison! And pac is roughly the same frame as Juan. I know styles make fights, but size makes fights, too. People forget the only true fight manny has had at WW was with Oscar, who was obviously well past his expiration date, and then Hatton at 140. So, really, I think we're going to see the same size mismatch as far as Floyd/Pac is concerned.
     
  4. kamagong

    kamagong New Member Full Member

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    Good points. We could theorize all day as much as we want but the only way to find out who wins is to make the fight happen.
     
  5. BizarroRJJ

    BizarroRJJ Active Member Full Member

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    Only problem with the height size agruement in my opinion is: PBF doesnt use it to his advantage in the ring with the exception of his reach--which any fighter even at the same height/weight can have a reach advantage. If PBF had devasting KO power or was an aggresor like PAC or Cotto or Margarito, then I think size comes into play. The key to beating PBF is getting past his D, not being bigger then him. ODH was bigger and PBF put on a clinic on the guy. Right strategy, right speed, right power, right stamina--you can put a ***** in PBF D and potentially beat the guy.
     
  6. BizarroRJJ

    BizarroRJJ Active Member Full Member

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    I agree. It just seems more people are now saying that PBF vs Pacman is a mismatch because of how he picked apart JMM. We all know the theory of beating the guy who beat the guy who gave this guy trouble, is no good indicator at all in trying to determine the outcome of a fight. Just dont think Mosley is the only one with a chance to beat or give a real fight to PBF.
     
  7. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    This is a terrible comparison. Malignaggi is not greatly skilled. He's a pure boxer with no defense, no power, and no right hand. He's tailor made for a swarming fighter like Hatton. Now Mayweather is a greatly skilled fighter. We've seen what happened to Pac when he faced a well rounded boxer who's one of the best out there, but still a notch below Floyd.
     
  8. BizarroRJJ

    BizarroRJJ Active Member Full Member

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    Big Reg, maybe a bad comparison but my point again: Dont care how well you think a style suits a particular fighter, there are plenty of fights out there that demonstrate otherwise. All point to the idea that while on paper a style may look like a complete mismatch, never really know because so many variables. Why did Forest beat a prime undefeated Mosely 2x? How the hell did a wild untechnical Mayorga go in swinging and KO and then outbox a master boxer like Forrest who beat one of the best in Mosley not once but twice? Just think when you get a really special/talented fighter like PBF and Pacman together in a fight---basing the outcome on fight styles and size not very significant for boxers at this elite a level. I would want to see Pacman vs PBF regardless of size mismatch or matchup issues because of this.
     
  9. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    No one can 100% predict the future and nothing is absolute. However, if you're familiar with different styles and how certain fighters have dealt with different styles, you can accurately predict a fight a good deal of the time. Many people picked Mosley to beat Forrest simply because they weren't familiar with Forrest. However, Forrest had beaten Mosley in the amateurs. Also, Forrest is an excellent boxer himself who was bigger and longer than Mosley and had an excellent jab. If you took away the names and just analyzed each fighters strenghts and weaknesses, you would probably pick Forrest to win. Now against Mayorga, Forrest was injured. Those are one of those variables that you can't always account for. However, a healthy Forrest would beat Mayorga most of the time.
     
  10. DLT

    DLT Member Full Member

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    Its all about reach with mayrunner, as much as it pains me to say it i think mayweather wins this purley on this fact alone. He can just lean back and stick his arm out whenever pac 'charges' in, clip him every now and then and
    get another yawn fest descision.

    ...this is also the reason why he will NEVER fight williams...
     
  11. 1lehudson

    1lehudson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Paulie didnt beat Hatton and Diaz because of his lack of ANY power. Plus the gap between Paulie and Hatton in terms of boxing skills isnt that big.
     
  12. ybfake

    ybfake Active Member Full Member

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    True. Good point:good
     
  13. tliang1000

    tliang1000 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Floyd is not paulie. Paulie sucks ass and I had Diaz winning by two.
     
  14. Atritionist

    Atritionist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The aggressive style of Pac will play into Mayweathers style. It' as if Pac was fighting a bigger, faster, sharper, better skilled Marquez. All the problems Marquez gave Pac times 5.
     
  15. renyo

    renyo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This fight will be argued til it happens and there's no way to prove either way. If you look at Mayweathers dominant performance of Marquez, then look at Pacs destruction of Hatton in his own weight class and a complete massacre of Oscar.

    Their are however a few certainties, while moving up Pac has maintained everything he had at the lower weights. And is possibly stronger and faster now due to not cutting weight. When comparing the current size of Marquez and Pac look at footage of the Pac-Hatton fight where Pac was obviously ripped and comfortable at the weight no excess weight whatsoever and not looking much smaller than Hatton.

    No matter what you think of Pacs last three fights. He was never even close to losing a round. Since moving up Pac has dominated his much larger opposition with his speed and power. Since the move up from 130 it was obvious Marquez was on the slide while Pac was continuing his rise to greatness.