PBF: "I Don't Use Plaster Or Fight At Catchweights"

Eh, I'd disagree. . . Small MW COMPARED to guys like Chavez, and Pavlik. . . But regular, full-sized MW compared to the average MW.

 

By Jeff Haney

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FIGHT FACTS
Who: Floyd Mayweather Jr. (39-0, 25 KOs) vs. Juan Manuel Marquez (50-4-1, 37 KOs), 12 scheduled rounds

When: Sept. 19

Where: MGM Grand Garden Arena

Weight limit: Top secret, so far

When it was revealed this week that Miguel Cotto and Manny Pacquiao will fight Nov. 14 at the MGM Grand, it was hard not to notice one particular aspect of the announcement.

Both men agreed to meet at a “catch weight” of 145 pounds, two pounds below the welterweight limit. The 145-pound mark was an acceptable compromise for Cotto, a welterweight for the past three years, and Pacquiao, who has never weighed more than 142 pounds for a fight.

Of course, the weight limit attached to a big boxing match is typically considered a piece of rudimentary information, like the date of the fight, or the venue — or the name of the tequila company that’s sponsoring the event.

Yet the promoters of another major bout scheduled for the second half of the year — Floyd Mayweather Jr. versus Juan Manuel Marquez, Sept. 19 at the MGM Grand — have been unable, or unwilling, to state the weight limit for the fight.

This has created an air of mystery around Mayweather-Marquez that’s either intriguing, troubling or downright bizarre, depending on how you look at it.

Mayweather, returning to the ring after a layoff of nearly two years, made it sound as if he’s planning to push the 147-pound welterweight limit. Training at 149 to 150 pounds, Mayweather dismissed a suggestion that he’ll be required to reach a lighter catch weight.

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All the evidence, including Sergio's ACTIONS by staying at 160 for the past few years (not what him, and, *surprise surprise* his PROMOTOR LOU DIBELLA SAY) evinces that Sergio's best weight is 160.

That's my opinion. . . But like I said, I DO NOT think Sergio would be "drained" fighting at 154. . . And I don't think it would really make that much of a difference fighting against Floyd - if he weighed in at 154, or 160. . .

 

Three years ago (at 34 years old) he was fighting at 154. How many of these regular, full sized middleweights aged 34 and under do you think could be fighting at 154?

 

LOL. . . Dude just stop. . . You're trying WAY too hard; in the process making yourself look like your typical *******/*****. . .

Just admit that Floyd is like every other boxer when it comes to promoting himself, and his fights - he's gonna say what makes him look the best (despite if his words/actions in the past are contradictory). . . Pretty much every boxer has contradicted himself. . .

Mayweather/Marquez was a catchweight-Welterweight fight. . . I'll say it again: Mayweather/Marquez WAS A CATCHWEIGHT FIGHT.

 

Cotto was three years removed from 140 pounds when he fought Pacquiao, yet people seem to believe he was so drained at 145? I agree that 140 would have drained Cotto, becayse 3 years is a long time to be removed from a weight. . . But anyway, to answer your question, if a huge fight was at stake, I'd say a lot. . The MW's who I think are the same size as Sergio, and could make 154 as easy as Sergio: Golovkin. .. Zbik. . . Sturm. . Daniel Geale. .

Some 154 pounders who I think Sergio would be comparable to size-wise: Kirkland, Canelo. . .

Nevemrind, missed age 34 and under. . I don't think that sepcific numbers are relevant like tht in boxing, though. . Everybody's body is different, and Sergio's 34, and now 37 isn't the same as Morales, etc. .

 

Exactly. You've pretty much reiterated what I'm saying. Pac only went to 147 because, not only was that the most realistic weight the fight could take place, but because that's where Oscar wanted it. Not because he (Pac) was a 147 fighter himself. If it was up to them (Pac's team), they would have gone as low as they could to favour their guy who they still viewed as a 135-140 at the most (at the time). This is proven with the Cotto fight when they, like you say, were in the position to make demands and have the fight where they thought it would more manageable for their guy (at 145).

 

Which, like I've said previously, makes it worse. He agrees to a 144 catchweight, but then decides not to go with it and come over the limit. It's absolutely ******ed to blame JMM for expecting the fight to take place where the fight was signed.

 

Marquez and golden boy knew that floyd was not fighting at a catch weight he said it as early as June that he wouldn't be, he said on a number of more occasions publically to the media that he was fighting at the full WW limit, yet Marquez, golden boy, dela Hoya and Schaffer try to pretend that this is something new when floyd actually weighed on the scales.

The acting job Marquez did was priceless when the legal contract was said to be changed that Wednesday so why did Marquez pretend to be so surprised?

 

I respect Marquez, but he was acting like a lil ***** trying to drain Floyd by asking for a catchweight. Floyd has never asked fighters who were bigger than him to come in at a cathcweight. That what seperates him from a guy like Pacquiao.

 

That's because he'd been established at WW for a hot minute, and he really hasn't fought many people in higher weight classes. . .

Against Oscar? Well, Oscar TRULY is his own boss, and dictates the terms. . . Just like pacquiao JUMPED UP TWO WEIGHT CLASSES from 135, to fight him at 147. . . And Floyd went up from 147, to fight him at 154. . .

Ortiz was naturally bigger, but he had just moved up from 140, only having fought at 147 once. . So it'd be kinda ridiculous for Ortiz to even WANT to fight higher than 147 after he looked so good there.

Who else? He fought Hatton @ 147, where Hatton already proved he wasn't nearly as effective. . . He's around the same size as Floyd naturally, though (when he's in shape). . . So no biggie. .

Cotto? LOL, Cotto is not even that much bigger than FLoyd. . . On fight night, Cotto will have about 5-7 pounds on Floyd. . . TOPS. . . And Cotto doesn't belong anywhere near 154, which is why the only two guys he has fought there is feather fisted Foreman, and shot to shyt Mayorga/Margarito - he knows good and well he ain't got the punch, nor natural size to fight the young, primed, heavy hitters @ 154. . JUST LOOK AT THE EXCESS BODY FAT on Cotto @ 154!

 

I'm just keeping it real - Floyd is a hell of a damn boxer. . . HELL of a boxer. . .

But his nuthuggers really need to stop jumping to his defense when he's clearly in the wrong, and has contradicted himself. . . It's not THAT big of a deal - he's not that intelligent outside of hte ring, so he forgets previous statements he makes, that contradict him. . . But at the same time, he KNOWS what he has to say to make his fights seem more appealing (I actually do like the Cotto fight. . . One of the best guys he could have picked, but he's NOT a 'different' Cotto that Pac beat, just like Hatton wasn't a different fighter that Pac iced). . . .

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*****s still saying that floyd has not fought at catchweight?

 

If you, and others, are trying to suggest Mayweather made it clear from the beginning that it wasn’t a catchweight fight, then you’re wrong. Because if it was clear, then there wouldn’t have been so much confusion amongst boxing fans (even his own followers) at what happened at the weigh-in. Even the quote in that Jeff Haney article you’ve provided is as ambiguous as anything he says. He keeps mentioning 143, when that wasn’t even the catchweight. It was 144. And to add further confusion, he doesn’t even mention what exactly he’d weigh, saying instead, “Whatever I come in weighing, that’s what I’ll come in weighing”. :huh. Yeah, really clear that, isn’t it.

And here’s an ESPN article which details what happened in the final moments leading up to the weigh-in:

[url]http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4485941[/url]

Most notable bits are:

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Yes, thank you, Floyd, for making it clear to us what was going on. Here’s more:

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So, if the bout was always going to be 147, then why is that Mayweather signed for a 144 fight at the beginning? And if it was as early as June he was making it clear that it wasn’t going to be a catchweight fight, why did he wait until the very last week to change the agreement? Missing not only the Wednesday deadline, but the Thursday one, too, and filing the 147 contract only minutes before the weigh-in .

You can make all the claims you want, Gunner, about him making it clear from the beginning. But that’s not true. Because I’m willing to bet my house that even you, an ardent follower of Floyd, were surprised to see him come in at 146. As were nearly all of the other Floyd and non-Floyd fans. It’s incredibly stupid to think a man would sign a fight at a catchweight with the pre-conceived plan of not honouring it and forcing himself to pay hefty penalties. Surely a business-minded person like Floyd, would wanna’ save himself $600,000 over two pounds.

But let's put aside the arguement about whether he made it clear or not (even though it's a fact he didn't), there's still no denying that he did sign and commit himself to a catchweight fight, and decided not to stick by it. Which is worse than commiting to catchweight fights and actually sticking by them.

 

Nope, it was a welterweight fight.:rofl:rofl:rofl *****s logic


Pac/DeLa Hoya was @ WW. But DLH was drained, therefore it was a catchweight fight.:rofl