PBF Pea Whitaker same era?

Prime Whitaker would've beaten Floyd in a close fight.

 

No

One was starting out and the other retiring :-(

 

That is not at all what I said Divac.

I said that I determine era's based on when a dominant group of fighters stop being relevant and another group becomes prominant. Some fighters will overlap, in this case Whitaker at the begining of the Jones, DLH, Hopkins, etc era, and Mayweather at the end of it, since they are now ending their careers. I never once said Mayweather and Whitaker overlapped each other (they didn't obviously). I said that Whitaker was dominant at the beginning of this era and that Mayweather was at the tail end of this era. The group of fighters that defined this era are just now wrapping up their careers. Whitakers prime happened to overlap the beginning of this group of fighters careers, and Mayweather's career coming at the tail end of it.

In this case, SRL, Duran, Hagler, and Hearns stopped being relevant in the late 80's (their era beginning after Ali's era). Whitaker became prominant directly after this, with Chavez becoming prominant just before the Fab 4 finished up and lasting into the mid 90's. They overlapped into the beginning of this era. The dominant fighters as a group in this era are Jones, DLH, Hopkins, Toney, Trinidad, MAB, Morales, etc, all who's careers started right after the fab 4 stopped being as relevant and are ending right now. Mayweather's career started right smack dab in the middle of this era in 1996, when Jones was battling Whitaker for the top spot as the best P4P fighter, Hopkins was in the middle of his title reign, and DLH was the boxing worlds golden goose. He is now retiring at the exact same time these fighters are. Therefore, I feel that Mayweather has been dominant at the tail end of this era.

That is how I judge eras. Based on what you set forth, you feel that Whitaker and Chavez are in a different era than Jones and Hopkins, who are in a different era than Mayweather and Pacquiao. I simply don't feel that in the past 20 years that we have had 3 different eras. There is nothing unreasonable about the way I determine this.

 

I know you didn't mention my name. That's not a big deal one way or the other. My point was, that isn't what I said. I never said Whitaker and Mayweather overlap. I think their careers come at the beginning and end of an era.

And honestly, I doubt most people think about organizing eras. They will look at when Whitaker began and ended his career and determine that he fought most of his career before Mayweather stepped in a ring, so they must be different eras. If this is the case, you must conclude that Mayweather started his era, and Whitaker ended his right?

Let me give you a list.

Chavez
Whitaker
Hopkins
Jones
De La Hoya
Trinidad
Barrera
Pacquiao
Mayweather
Calzaghe
Toney
Morales
Cotto


Now seperate them into different eras.

 

Whitaker is not of the same era as Floyd.

 

If a fighter's started his carreer in the eighties and ended it in early nineties that is one era. If a fighter started his career in early nineties that is another.

 

Whitaker ended his career in 2001. Most would say he stopped being relevant in 1998 though. That is not early 90's. Not a single fighter I named ended his career in the early 90's. All are either still fighting or ended their career in the late 90's early 2000's. All had titles well past the early 90's.

 

Who here feels that Mayweather is from a different era than Barrera?

Do you feel that Mayweather is from a different era than Jones Jr or Hopkins?

 

You are IMO shortening eras. And the reason I asked you to define the eras of each of those fighters is obvious.

Jones Jr prime was from about 1994-2001

MAB's prime was from about 1994-2000

Toney's from about 1992-1998 or so (he is an oddball)

Hopkins from about 1995-2001 or so.

Trinidad from about 1995-2001.

Whitaker overlapped them at the beginning, and Mayweather overlapped them as well at the end. They all overlapped (Mayweather entered his prime from about 1999-2007 IMO). I don't think we have had 3 different era's in the past 15-20 years. I think we have had one big one with Whitaker being the beginning and Mayweather and Pacquiao ending it. I certainly don't include Whitaker in SRL's era. And all the prominant fighters from that started in the late 80's and early 90's are still fighting, ending their careers as we speak. As is Mayweather.

You do it by primes, which is much too subjective for me. I do it by when the prominant fighters careers began and ended as a group.

 

Nah, prime years were more than ten years apart.

 

Ok, how do you figure that? I get where Divac and I disagree, since I don't use primes in my method.

But Whitaker was in his prime at least until 1994-1995. You feel Mayweather didn't enter his prime until 2004 or so?