Serious question to settle a dispute... If Big show was given a proper training camp and the fight happened at HW, who would win & why?
Mayweather should just drop the nonsense and fight Cotto. "Big Show" should pick on people his own size, even for these fantasy showdowns.
I know, I can't believe I had to say it either.... Here are a couple of my posts from the other site (not a boxing site, which might explain the lack of understanding).. I got slammed both times .... ------------------------------------------------------------------- Why do you think there are weight classes in boxing? Floyd is recognized as the best "pound for pound" fighter in the world. With so many lumbering fools in the Heavyweight division at the moment, and that being the glamour and money division, why do you think he hasn't tried to win a HW title? Or even a Cruiserweight title? Or even a Light HW title? Or even Calzaghe's Super Middleweight title? Or even a Middleweight title? It's because size negates skill & speed. Even Floyd knows this. Not in all cases, but certainly when the size difference it that great. A few years ago, Sugar Shane Mosley was in a similar position to Floyd. He'd just beaten a younger, better version of De La Hoya than Floyd beat and was recognized as the P4P best in boxing. He decided to step up in weight and began to lose to slower, less skilled but bigger opponents. the same happened to Duran, and countless others. Yes, I know they went up in weight and fought professional boxers and "Big Show" or whatever this jokers name is isn't a pro boxer. But he is an athlete and the size difference is too much. With even a couple of months boxing training, he'd have enough to beat Floyd. And I'm a lifelong boxing fan. -------------------------------------------------------------- Take a look at some of the current top-10 Heavyweights in any sanctioning organization. The majority do NOT train all day every day. Most wouldn't even train as much as "big show" does. Anyone with any boxing knowledge would accept that the size difference in this case is too much for skill & speed to evercome. In boxing the skill levels are closer so a couple of pounds make a big difference. In this case the skill gap is huge, but the size gap is even bigger. Floyd is not a mover a'la Willie Pep. His defensive technique is the shoulder-roll - to turn side on, cover one side of his face with one glove and use the other shoulder/arm to guard the near side of his head/body. Big Show wouldn't need to land anything cleanly on his face, he would just need to keep landing on Floyd anywhere at all. Which he would be able to do easily with about a month's training on how to corner an opponent. I can't believe I have to explain this.
Have you ever boxed? Prince Naseem dropped Cruiserweights in sparring. All the examples you gave were between a boxer and a boxer. You put Ronnie Coleman in the ring with a LW champ and the LW champ would KO the guy any day. This is like saying a 6'5 guy can beat tyronebouges (the 5'3 bball player) in bball just because of his height. No, simple fact is, one is world class, one has no experience. The fact that ive personally seen LW's make a fool out of HW's in the ring during sparring tells me that if a top boxer were to face a none boxer in a boxing match, it really is a no brainer. Theres weight classes in boxing for a reason, thats because faced with equal skills size overcomes. Floyd is lightyears away in terms of skills.
B-ball is a pure skill sport. Boxing isn't necessarily. You can succeed in a one-off fight by simply being a brawler (Mayorga vs Forrest..?). You don't need to be a technical genius. Chop Chop wobbled Floyd. He isn't some kind of invincible warrior. Of course he is light-years ahead of Big Show in terms of skill, but in this case the size diff is simply too much. With a bit of training, any decent coach could teach Big Show how to corner Floyd and aim exclusively for the centreline of Floyd's body. Come on, get real. Floyd might not get hit cleanly even once, but he wouldn't need to. A guy that size would rightly have ZERO respect for Floyds punches and Floyd would not be physically able to even reach his head. It's dumb. And of course it's a meaningless fight. And I have no respect for pro wrestlers in general. And Floyd is a boxing god. BUT COME ON!!!
And yes, I boxed as an amateur for a few years until repeated elbow/shoulder injuries forced me to retire. I then coached junior boxing for a few years and have continued to do so on and off when I have the time. I have been watching and been involved in boxing for nearly 30 years. I know that skill overcomes size in most cases. I argue that point a lot with people on this board. But not a case as drastic as this.
You get to a certain size and thats it. Akebono 520lb was KOD by a guy who weight 220lb. Crocop who is 230lb KO BOb Sapp, mountain of muscle weighting 360lb with 1 punch on the 1st round. These size difference are as drastic as they come. Floyd could not fight Maskaev cos Maskaev is a world class boxer, and id be willing to bet Maskaev hits alot harder than Bog Show despite the size difference. Floyd could KO The Show. What you gotta understand is that through experience, people learn to take a punch. Put a newbie in the ring with a hard little puncher and he would get KO, despite the size. Size enables you to absorb more damage but if you dont see the punch coming, dont brace yourself, your off balance, you will fall. My m8 who is a 250lb bodybuilder/muay thai practicer was dropped by some WW boxer. Albeit it was more a sucker punch but it sure did damage, his face was carved up...and thats what Floyds lightning punches will be like to Show, sucker punches cos he wont see any coming. Put it this way, I know plenty of LW's who would KO a whole lot of HW's in the ring, without ring experience. If this was a real fight, Show by Choke Slam. But as it is, its a sport were one was bred and nurtured for and the other totally inexperienced at.
NOT RELEVANT!! In both those examples, the "smaller" guy was still 220-230, ie still a HEAVYEWIGHT. Big enough to pack enough of a punch to hurt the bigger guy. The best Floyd could hope for while maintaining his speed is probably around MIDDLEWEIGHT. And he still wouldn't be physically able to hit anything other than Big Show's ribs. The chance of hand damage to Floyd is much greater than the chance of Floyd hurting Big Show. Again, I think Pro Wrestlers are a joke, but lets be real here. Floyd could KO him? He was given a free shot with Big Show on his knees and didn't manage it with a 3-punch combo. Look at it in slow-mo and you can see that the shot that damaged Big Show's nose was the grazing left-hook, that missed it's target. If it has landed on the side of Big Show's head, it would have crushed Floyd's hand.
Mayorga is 10* more skilled than Big show, 100*. Skill is not just about flashyness, balance, timing, reflexes, accuracy, defense, etc etc all come into play. Even his chin is world class and would be alot harder to crack than a HW's chin who is not used to getting hit in the face or wasnt blessed with that god given gift. BBall is as much skill as boxing is, you asked why do you think there are weight classes in boxing? I asked, why is the average BBall player over 6'5? Thats because in general height matters just as weight does in boxing, but when you compare a world class BBall player who is 5'3 to a 7'2 giant like big show, bouges win bball all the time as that is his sport.
That size difference is the same. 300lb or so...Just because they choose to cut the weight limits at HW's doesnt mean its the official weight, weight starts to have no effect...
Come On. Even With All Of The Skills Floyd Posses. He Would Get Killed If Big Show Really Hit Him. I Think Big Show Was The Guy That Broke Some Guys Jaw After The Guy Kept Messing With The Big Guy.
I bet if someone said who would win in a grappling match, a 500lb man or a 150lb man. Youd pick the 500lb man all the time cos of his overpowering strength? Yet its been proven that Gracie Royce has beaten sumo wrestlers weighing that and 250lb bodybuilder.