PBF vs Harry Greb

Right on he. Greb while 160, was strong enough to rough up heavyweights.
He would be on top of the smaller Mayweather like a Fungus...

 

I dont write off his chances... At winning a round or two.

 

BTW.. PBF gets dominated and beaten from pillar to post.

 

Yeah, Joe Cortez could make sure PBF wins.

Hell, he could probably make sure I win.

 

Hatton may have worked but he won one round in the first six on my card (the 1st) so I don't think he was particularly doing anything effective, although he was spirited.

 

He wasn't going to win, not debating that, but he wasn't even allowed to work in close. Even my wife, a relative neophyte on these matters, called that out.

 

it'd be a bit akin to the referee in the first ali/chuvalo gight calling a break any time ali was more than a foot away from chuvalo and forcing them to restart the fight on the ropes. ali worked best at a distance and he was allowed to do that. hatton is a holder and a wrestler in close but he wasn't allowed to do proper in-fighting that night, which was his only (slim) chance

 

Floyd was edging him but the rounds were very competitive ... now imagine a much faster, much stronger, tireless Greb that could walk through Floyd's punches ? Greb's whole rep was lightning speed, non-stop punching from all angles, an incredible chin and tireless .. it dos not spell a good night for Floyd in my book ..

 

I assume this is a middleweight bout?

Everything I have read leads me to assume that Greb is a swarmer with a pretty good defense. An Armstrong or Tyson type.
This plays into Mayweather's hands. As he is at his best against swarmer/agresive types.

The big question is Power not Greb's but Mayweather's. Up to 140 Mayweather has some sort of stopping power. At 147n and 154 he has respectable power. Meaning that while he's not able to stop people left and right. He makes it hard to implemet a game plan, or he hits harder than it looks from the outside of the ring. As he goes up in weight naturaly that power is going to decrease. The question is how much will it decrease.

One of two things are going to happen.
1. Mayweather has respectable power at 160. If this is the case he's going to counter Greb and get to him mentaly, and physcialy. Mayweather will turn the tables and walk Greb down. Winning a clear decision.
2. Mayweather lacks any real power. He'll still be able to counter Greb, but without any real power, Greb will walk through them. Greb will be able to matain his agresive atack. Keeping Mayweather on the defensive on rout to a clear decision win.

By the way they are about the same size.

 

Someone left the gate to the general forum open again.

 

This one is about output.

Floyd waits, applies his defensive science, and picks his shots. That's what he does. He does it very well, but he is a cautious and careful fighter by nature. He's doing things differently in there now, but he still takes rounds to gauge his opponent's speed and openings and then applies a remedy. How's he going to do that here?

Short answer -he isn't.

He would be forced to concentrate on defense alone and that would get overwhelmed to, because Greb is stronger than anything Floyd has seen since his dad whipped him silly when he was 10.

I have suspected for two years and counting now that the reason why Floyd isn't messing with Manny is that he sees stylistic problems with Manny -namely, output and angles. Floyd is in range now even more than before and that's key. That is why Shane and Ortiz were able to get to him. Manny will get to him better than they. Greb would be a nightmare.

Hell, Greb would be nine times worse than little Manny. "Swarmer" is too simple a label for Greb's style (and Manny's for that matter), Greb attacked from angles and just didn't stop. Add to that the fact that several major opponents reported being surprised at how hard he was to not only fight, but to land on.

Greb would also be considerably stronger than Floyd. Middleweights do not handle light heavies and heavies unless they have strength at least at the level of, say, Dick Tiger.


Output + angles + physical strength + concrete chin = easy fight for Greb.

 

Respectfully ,to say that a beefed up sloiwer Mayweather is the same size as Harry Greb is silly. Greb was a pup when he fought as a welterweight. He grew into a very strong 160 pound middleweight,probably the toughest and roughest middleweight ever. Able to out rough, out tough strong lightheavyweights in his 300 fight career. To compare a normal 140-47 pound Mayweather to beef up to 160 pounds ,in his 30s,without his main asset speed to even challenge probably the greatest MW ever is not fair to Mayweather...Greb's walking around weight was about 170 pounds in his prime was much, much stronger than Mayweather. Would you allow a beefed up older Mayweather ,in his thirties to enter the ring as a MW against a LaMotta, Hagler, Dick Tiger, Carlos Monzon, Tony Zale ? Of course not...A great fighter as Mayweather is, has their own natural best fighting weight. Let him stick to his own division,as the much bigger
Greb would be a bridge too far...Cheers.

 

Greb is way too high risk for Floyd to fight. I'm sure they would be some huge roadblock with OSTD and split purses.

"This mother****in' white guy throws too many God damn punches to be clean"

A Mayweather

 

Excellent post. It's an awful matchup. Great points on the Pac reference, despite his evident decline. Although to be fair to Floyd he has as well, although that sort of style generally allows for more longevity than Pac's Tasmanian hurricane type style.

 

Well put, sir.

It really is a different sport that it was in those days. 300 fights mean an entirely different career, different context, different measurement for accomplishment.

Simply put, I don't think Floyd could carry Greb's jock.