PBF VS JMM @ 130 lbs

Don't start name calling. I'd lose respect on you ok?!

Anywy, the finest counter puncher fight with pbf will end shorter than
the fight of hatton..

Too bad! Tagging pbf would not win him the fight. You are correct!

But still JMM winning in 5 out of 12 rounds is still a fairytale!

DAMN! I don't think hatton won more than 5 rounds with pbf if i remember it correctly...

 

sorry about the name calling man

comparing hatton to marquez is not right, marquez would win alot of rounds,
marquez's boxing ability is superior to hattons, hatton came in with the worst game plan i have ever seen, mayweather knew exactly what he was gonna do coming into the fight, even if he could not knock him out he would of humiliated him beyond belief
dont expect marquez to do that, as long as he didnt get hit too cleanly it would be very competetive

 

NO problem man!....

after hear so many comments.. i'm now more excited to see pbf vs jmm than pbf vs pac

good day to you buddy!:good

 

Unsure rilly, would like to see Marquez win it though. Floyd was primed at 130 in my book, granted.

 

My scorecard had Judah winning 4 out of the first 5 rounds.
Judah doing some countering, but most of his success was being able to get off first and beating Mayweather to the punch.

Judah being Judah, with all the talent and skill he has, he has a history of not being able to sustain success in a fight.....and it was no different with Mayweather......zab could'nt sustain not only the physical pace, but the mental pace as well, and as we know, Mayweather went on to easily sweep the latter half of the fight.

Hey, I would'nt put my money on any fighter against Mayweather at 130 lbs.....I might favor a few throughout history to have been able to beat Mayweather there, but certainly not with the confidence to put my money on the line against him.

From 130 lbs to 140 lbs, there is'nt a fighter that I'd say with determined confidence would beat Mayweather, and that would include JC Chavez and Roberto Duran.

However, as much respect that I have for Mayweather's abilities.....I certainly wont go beyond and overrate them either.
The truth be told, at 130 lbs, Mayweather faced good competition, but he did'nt face elite competition.....certainly Manfredy, Corrales, and Hernandez are far from being elite type fighters.

Had JMM been around during Mayweather's time at 130 lbs, Marquez would have been Mayweather's toughest test. In JMM, we're talking elite in every way, and I'll repeat, thats something Mayweather never had the fortune of facing at 130 lbs.

Its already been mentioned by a few fine posters in this thread, that Mayweather has'nt faced a complete boxer like JMM, as I mentioned earlier, the best probably being Zab Judah, who was very competitive with Floyd.

Although I'd favor Mayweather against JMM at 130 lbs, it certainly is'nt cut and dry as most around in this thread would like to believe.
Remember now, JMM is not slow.....he was actually faster than Pac in combination exchanges in both their fights......
.....who's to say that Mayweather would be able to counter Marquez' combinations with any consistency. When Marquez throws shots, he does so in combination.
Lets remember here that Mayweather is not known to be a combination puncher, although I would agree he's certainly capable of it, and certainly did more of that at 130 lbs, just not to the extent that Marquez does.

Evasion?????Could Mayweather evade JMM's shots like he's done against many others???
I'm not certain he would, in fact I'm inclined to believe he would'nt have that same defensive success against JMM, simply because of Marquez' repertoire in his shot selection.
For those that have paid attention, Marquez really disguises his shots very well.....jabs, straight shots, hooks and uppercuts. He does'nt telegraph his shots, and from the high guard stance he takes and the way he manuevers his hands in front of his face, he's not only on the ready to defend, but to throw any shot in his repertoire at any moment, and without telegraphing it.
You all are thinking, well, Mayweather is unlike anything JMM has ever faced.......my above observations would back my opinion that its a two way street.....on the flipside, JMM is unlike anything that Mayweather has ever faced as well.
It runs both ways here my friends.....I think alot of you would be willing to admit that Floyd Mayweather Jr. has yet to face a fighter as good and complete in different aspects of the boxing game as is JMM!

Give JMM his due is what I'm saying.......whether you'd lean toward Mayweather or not, its a legit matchup is what I'm saying.
A real legit, bonafide Superfight between two real and legit elites!!!!:deal :bbb

 

Forget about the rest of this post. I want you to tell me what 4 rounds you gave Judah in the first 5. The most rounds you could give Judah period was 4 rounds and that includes the 12th. Rounds 2 and 4 were the only rounds he clearly one. Round 1 was tossup. Rounds 3 and 5-11, Floyd clearly won.

 

Oh MAN! That's a fast reply!

PBF vs JMM bring it on!!!!

The biggest fight of JMM !!!! :good

 

I'd have to rewatch the fight to tell you that, and I'm not about to do that......but I will say that from my recollection, I dont believe I gave Judah another round after the 5th........that would make my scorecard 8-4 in favor of Mayweather, which I would say I agree with you, Mayweather won clearly.

 

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This is the combination punching I'm talking about......guage left hand for distance.....jab, right hand, hook.........

Notice just how precise JMM's combinations are.....Pac actually has his guard up trying to defend those, but Marquez' accuracy gets them through!
Beautiful stuff!

 

Well, I've watched the fight plenty of times. Round 4 was a clear Judah round, he was able to counter effectively the whole round. Floyd did well in the beginning of the round, but was hit with that counter shot that should've been a KD. Floyd outlanded him in that round, but you pretty much had to give it to Judah. Round 1 was a tossup. They each landed about 2 good punches. That you could give to Judah and I did. Round 12 I thought was a Floyd round, but that could've went Judah's way as well. No way did Judah win rounds 3 or rounds 5-11. I scored it 117-111. I had Judah up 3 rounds to 2 after 5.

 

You had it 3-2 after 5, I had it 4-1......we're a round apart, and a round apart in the total score, as I had it 116-112......not a big deal.....and not really something debate seriously about.

My observation of the first 5 rounds is that Judah consistently landed harder and cleaner throughout those, and its not to say that Mayweather was out of those rounds, but Judah imo just did better in them, which goes back to my point that even a fresh Mayweather can be outboxed......even from you vantage point, Judah outboxed him through 5!

You had it 3-2 and I had it 4-1......one stinking round can make a big difference in dicephering whether a fight is close or wide can it not?

I'll tell you honestly.....as I was watching the fight live on TV with others, I knew from Judah's history that he'd come down to earth in the latter half......I'd got a good inkling to say that Mayweather knew it as well!:yep .....cause he sure as hell did'nt press the panic button!:bbb

 

The one round in this case makes a huge difference. There is no reasonable way to score more than 3 of the first 5 rounds for Judah. If you cant score easy rounds correctly, it's hard for me to take anything you say on this topic seriously. There was only two rounds where Judah was landing clean hard shots on a consistent basis. That was rounds 2 and 4. Many of those punchers were counter punches that he was able to land to to his superior handspeed combined with Floyd's belief that Judah would not be able to handle his pressure. Judah having two good rounds(one of which he won off of one punch) is in no way proof that he can be outboxed. That being said, Floyd can be outboxed. However, JMM is not the man to do it.

 

Yup! It's beautiful but that's not the whole story of the book.
The other side of the story you missed out is that JMM needs to ensure that his feet stays on the ground so his ass would not hit the canvass again.. in their two encounters 4x his ass hit the canvass remember?!

Sure he can tag pbf i agree but what happens if he himself is tagged/staggered by pbf ? If he was able to get up with pac.. how about pbf?!

 

Being tagged by the opponent in a match is common. Being able to make your opponent kiss the canvass is priceless

As a matter a fact, for JMM to make PAC's ass kiss the canvass remains a dream. PAC making JMM's ass kiss the floor is a TRADITION...

But props to your video. It was a good hit but not the whole story of the two titans..

 

Judging from this post, I take it you think Mayweather is eons above the class of Pacquiao.....and even in power????

Do you think at 130 lbs, Mayweather has better one shot power than Pacquiao?

Its one shot that brought JMM down in the third round....if you're truthful with yourself, he rose up and recovered nicely from that shot.
......no reason to think Marquez could not recover from a Mayweather shot if he were to get stunned.....or do you think Mayweather is a better finisher than Pacquiao?
















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