PBF vs. Napoles, Basilio, Hearns, Duran, Tito, Leonard, Robinson

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  1. KOTF

    KOTF Bingooo Full Member

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    Graham Houston strikes again.

    http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/blog/_/name/boxing/id/5156696/mayweather-versus-boxing-greats


    After Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s masterful performance against Shane Mosley, it is easier to accept his bold pronouncements of greatness. He could probably have held his own with the best in any era.
    It is safer to wait until a boxer has retired before attempting an all-time rating, but Mayweather has the qualities that make a great fighter. It isn't just his speed and talent. His punch anticipation is uncanny. He expertly "reads" an opponent so that throughout a contest he usually seems to know what the other man is about to do and what punches are going to be thrown.
    Mayweather is probably stronger and tougher and a better puncher than is generally realized. Caught and hurt in the second round, Mayweather came right back in the third as if nothing had happened and outclassed Mosley in every round from the third to the finish. This was fighting of the highest order.
    Also, Mayweather's conditioning is superb. He stays close to his fighting weight, the way they did in bygone years. His work ethic is perhaps underappreciated.
    How, though, would Mayweather have fared against the great welterweights of the past? We think of the old-time champions as somehow larger than life, but the Mayweather of the Mosley fight probably could have excelled against the best.
    The old-time champions are considered to have been tougher and to have had more complete ring mechanics than the present-day ones because they fought at a time when competition was deeper. Mayweather's speed, though, could have given problems to the robust practitioners of the past. When a fighter is having every move countered swiftly and sharply it can induce doubt, and when one boxer achieves mental dominance over another the fight is usually over.
    So how would Mayweather have fared against past welterweight standouts? Here are some guesses:
    Mayweather against Jose Napoles: Cuban great Napoles, who moved to Mexico City when the Castro regime banned professional sport, was a superb boxer-puncher but Mayweather might have been faster and smarter, with a better jab. Napoles had a difficult fight with Ernie "Indian Red" Lopez, a game slugger who might not have been competitive with Mayweather.
    Pick: Mayweather
    Mayweather against Carmen Basilio: Basilio was as tough as they come, with a wicked left hook, and he beat the bigger Sugar Ray Robinson. Although outscored by the smart-boxing Johnny Saxton, Basilio brutally stopped this skilled boxer in two subsequent meetings. He might have had the tenacity and pressure to overcome Mayweather's superior artistry in a 15-round fight.
    Pick: Basilio
    Mayweather against Thomas Hearns: The Hit Man's right hand would have been a constant threat, but Mayweather seems the more reliable, steadier boxer, and his quickness could have flustered Hearns.
    Pick: Mayweather
    Mayweather against Roberto Duran: As relentless as Duran was, he might have been bothered by Mayweather's speed, jab and accurate countering. Mayweather would have looked the bigger, stronger man in the ring. It is possible to visualize Duran struggling with Mayweather's style, as in his rematch with Sugar Ray Leonard.
    Pick: Mayweather
    Mayweather against Felix Trinidad: Trinidad was an offensive force, but he fought in straight lines, as the British say. Mayweather would probably have outmaneuvered him.
    Pick: Mayweather
    Mayweather against Sugar Ray Leonard: This would have been a marvelous match. Leonard would have been Mayweather's equal for quickness and intelligence, but he had the punch-volume and extra power to prevail, if barely.
    Pick: Leonard
    Mayweather against Sugar Ray Robinson: Robinson is generally regarded as the greatest of them all. He was a wonderful boxer -- fast, powerful, courageous and exceptionally tough. Robinson's combinations would likely have trumped Mayweather's sharpshooting.
    Pick: Robinson
     
  2. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  3. JMP

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    Graham Houston is an idiot. No respect for his views. He's the same guy who said Benitez wouldn't last longer than the mediocre Miguel Cotto against AM.
     
  4. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think this is the same guy that picked Margarito over a prime versions of Trinidad, Benitez, and De La Hoya.
     
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  5. KOTF

    KOTF Bingooo Full Member

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    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=200389

    The Margo article
     
  6. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    This is the most embarrassing **** ever. To make such bold statements i don't mind, but the rationale is pathetic, the man's not even making his statements with any degree of conviction unto himself. What a clown. Seriously, these comments he's made are cringing. I respect he's the one with the paid job and we're just the paupers in the boxing debate game. But if that guy came to this forum for pure boxing debate, he'd be swallowed whole.
     
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  7. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    The Napoles reasoning is the best.:lol:
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    He is a ******ed mongol.
     
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  9. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    He actually mentioned jab and picked Floyd.
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Floyd has a great jab!
     
  11. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Indeed, especially to the body. I think it's a bit mad to think it would be a constant in taking the play away from Napoles though. Floyd should get physical in that one imo, would be very difficult but he's a fantastic fighter so who knows. Napoles' jab was a constant throughout his career and when it comes to slipping the opponent's jab and capitalising in gaining the leverage with your own jab and a whole other toolbox of top range hardware, well i cant think of a handful that are better than Napoles.
     
  12. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    Worst article I've ever read
     
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  13. Rise Above

    Rise Above IBHOF elector Full Member

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    Wow and this guy gets paid for this. :verysad
     
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  14. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Don't be sleepin on ole' cashflow.Ain't no pull right counters on any film i ever saw of Robinson.


    Seriously though, these articles popping up after every fight are just cringeworthy shilling for the latest big fight winner.it's oen thing debating stuff like this for fun on here, but paid writers should be trying to put out a higher quality product, give us something of worth to think about on the fight that just took place, instead of these tired old cliches.
     
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  15. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I enjoy fantasy match up speculation done in prose. But why does it have to be the best of the best? Why not do some thinking on how Mayweather would do against Curry, Charnley, Graham, Kid Lewis, Zivic, **** like that? That could be a fantastic and thought-provoking read.
     
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