PBO independent boxing rankings top 100 June2018

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by FrancescoD, Jun 3, 2018.


  1. Sphillips

    Sphillips Active Member Full Member

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    Is this your personal rankings then?

    No system,just subjective rankings?
     
  2. Sphillips

    Sphillips Active Member Full Member

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    Very well presented,informative and solid rankings.
     
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  3. FrancescoD

    FrancescoD Active Member Full Member

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    No they are objective and results based, you can see the pre-fight ranking who each fighter in the top 100 has fought in their last 20 fights.
     
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  4. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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  5. FrancescoD

    FrancescoD Active Member Full Member

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    Because we have a rule that if 75% OF THE press think the score was wrong we will overturn the points allocation. Do you think thats right or wrong?
     
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  6. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hammer fights anyone, and he loses in lopsided fashion to the top people. He's not the eighth best heavyweight in the world. That's a joke.

    It's not like Hammer is fighting the best and losing close decisions. He's fighting the best and losing every round or getting knocked out.

    Are you telling me you'd pick Hammer to beat every heavyweight below him? Wach knocked him out in six rounds, and you've got Wach four slot below him.

    I can understand giving people points for beating certain fighters, but a little common sense has to come into play, too.

    And regarding Horn, if you rate Jeff Horn lower than Pac because 75 percent of the press thought Pac won, then why is Parker rated so high? Because freaking Andy Ruiz was the winner according to the majority of New Zealand press when he fought Parker.

    Hughie Fury is better than Christian Hammer. Hell, Breazeale beat better fighters than Hammer, how is Breazeale rated lower?

    Hammer appears to be rated eighth in the world because he beat David Price and a guy who beat David Price.

    That's it.

    Common sense seems to vanish when people start compiling ratings.

    It's not tennis.
     
  7. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I thought this was based on what actually happened, not your personal opinions?

    In the Parker-Fury fight, one actual judge scored it a draw. Two others scored it ridiculously, giving Parker 10 of the 12 rounds.

    I thought it was a toss-up. But Fury isn't any worse than Parker. Clearly. Rating Fury 21 and a dolt like Christian Hammer eight is way way off.

    It doesn't pass the eyeball test, stats be damned.
     
  8. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    It's n
    It's not really a question of right or wrong. Scoring in boxing is too subjective. Some people like slick boxers that hit and don't get hit. Some like the guys that are always coming forward. There is no rule that says all things being even the round goes to X fighter. For example, a come forward fighter throws 100 punches and lands 10. His opponent throws 25 and lands 10. Who gets the round? People will argue this and both sides will make valid arguments. That being said, I think it's a good thing that there is a consensus about how fighters are ranked by opinion. Could be worse.
     
  9. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    That's very wrong to do for a ranking points system. It is no longer "objective" at all.

    You'll never be able to get every press members' opinion. So that alone makes that sort of a decision flawed.

    We've all disagreed with the majority of the press before. Professional boxers and trainers' opinions of fights have disagreed with the majority of the press before.

    You must take the results at surface value. It's up to each one of us to know specifics of each fight and if we don't, then that's on us.
     
  10. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Independent? Bullcrap!
     
  11. Sphillips

    Sphillips Active Member Full Member

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    People are too harsh.
     
  12. FrancescoD

    FrancescoD Active Member Full Member

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    It is because they don't understand and pick up on something they see as an anomaly. Bare facts are Hughie Fury has beaten much lower class opponents than Christian Hammer, the subjective side does not come in to it with this type of rating, usually people like Hughie Fury, Andy Ruiz, Jordan Shimmell fight low grade opponents because they are poor, time usually sorts it, they get found out. Presently the heavweights are not great past the top 7 we would pretty much all have the same ones, the American heavyweights are probably the poorest in depth ever. The ratings are independent though and have been since 1992.
     
  13. FrancescoD

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    I don't agree it's wrong, 75% of the PRESS overturning the decision can be considered as objective a three judges getting it wrong.
     
  14. FrancescoD

    FrancescoD Active Member Full Member

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    I don't disagree, equally just treat the ratings as a guide rather than definitive, until two boxers meet nothing is 100%
     
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  15. FrancescoD

    FrancescoD Active Member Full Member

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    Scored on results (unless 75% of press disagree) my opinion was for the purpose of the conversation. I disagree Fury is on par with Joe Parker, I think Hammer v Fury is a close fight, certainly likely to go 12.