Pea-Oscar

When whitaker did make oscar miss badly instead of countering he smiled and laughed. how does that score u points? if oscar throws 7 punch combo misses badly in 6 of them but sneaks in 1 of those shots, so 1 out of 7 lands, yet when whitaker makes him miss those 6 he doesnt counter any punches he just smiles who got the better out of that exchange? oscar.


Also, i dont think oscar gets enough credit defensivley he also made whitaker miss quite a few times.

 

I wasnt really directing that toward you, but to many of the fans in the general forum. I respect ur knowledge and opinion very much.

 

The thing is, in quite a few of those combinations(especially that 10 punch or so combo in the 2nd round I believe it was) Oscar landed precisely 0 punches. Therefore, based on official criteria, Whitaker should've won those exchanges. Sure Oscar won a good few of the exchanges, as he didn't always come up with air, but the fight wasn't decided on exchanges, it was mostly fought at Whitaker's pace, with ring generalship being another criteria he took.

I agree though that Oscar's defense and countering ability was on that night, only problem was the opponent in front of him. He didn't come up with air all the time, but on his combos he usually did. His single shots were more on point. Problem was, he was playing Whitaker's game when he did that, and was getting tagged with jabs himself.

 

defense is a criteria, but the criteria is counterpunching. whitaker when he made oscar miss badly did not do any counterpunching or land any return shots......he just stood there and smiled shoboating his greatness at the fact he made a pinpoint fighter like oscar miss a bunch of punches. but he fails to realize he did not get the better of that exchange.


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its like this..... if oscar throws 7 punch combo misses badly in 6 of them but sneaks in 1 of those shots, so 1 out of 7 lands, yet when whitaker makes him miss those 6 he doesnt counter any punches he just smiles who got the better out of that exchange? oscar.

 

btw i thought whitaker really turn the clocks back a bit on that night. He looked far better than against hurtdado and rivera, it was like his last hurrah like charles vs marciano I.

 

Can you prove that is the exact criteria? Defense is what it is usually interpreted as, though you obviously have to have offense mixed in to win the fight overall, which Whitaker did.

It could honestly be interpreted in another way, but that makes sense. I don't disagree with it, in fact I said it in my above post that Oscar won a few exchanges like this, but I didn't have him winning the fight because the fight was not dictated at this pace.

 

Very true.

 

True, & that just goes to prove a prime Whitaker would have pretty much easily handled De La Hoya.

 

Whitaker missing and not making DLH pay is a bit of a generalisation really, because after many of the key combinations Whitaker dodged he DID make DLH pay.

Just to review some cases in point.

Round 2, Whitaker lightly lands a jab, then DLH counters him, and then proceeds to throw a or 9 punch combo, and they all miss. DLH STARTS SMILING, Whitaker follows in with a jab and uppercut that wipes the smile off DLH's face.

Round 5, start of the round, DLH chases Whitaker with shots in combination, Whitaker is on the retreat, Whitaker then comes in after the DLH combo and lands a flush 1-2.

Later in round 5 DLH misses a couple of punches wildly and Whitaker mocks him with his body language for being sloppy with his punches. DLH moves in and gets a Whitaker jab.

Round 9, towards the end of the round Whitaker taunts DLH and DLH unleashes a combo with a couple of partial connects. Whitaker retaliates by spinning DLH around on the ropes and gets off a couple of hooks and an uppercut which appear to partially connect.

Round 10, it's the end of the round and DLH unleashes another combo to try and steal the round. Whitaker dodges the combo with the exception of a body punch and comes back with two body shots of his own.


Now, I'm not saying didn't do his share of clowning and not fighting back, he did, e.g. closing stages of the fight, and he simply made DLH miss at the end of round 4 without coming back with anything, but I think people take this 'all Whitaker did was clown and didn't make Oscar pay' thing too far. Whitaker, for the majority did make Oscar miss and did make him pay, though with no real earth shattering punches.

 

SuzieQ, how do you see DLH vs Whitaker go prime for prime?

 

Suzie Q49

Respect to you for your opinion. I HAVE actually seen the fight a couple of times and if you look at the entire fight, Pea was making Delahoya miss big time, catching his shots on the forearms and elbows just like Mayweather did.
I believe Whitaker beat Oscar worse than Mayweather did. He outlanded him, out percentaged him and caught him off guard and Oscar's glove did touch the canvas from a punch, which is a knockdown. The difference between Mayweather/Delahoya and Whitaker/Deahoya is the fact that the judges actually paid attention to the fight inside the ring as opposed to the crowd noise for every Delahoya action.

 

I had Whitaker winning by a couple points, 114-112; or 7-5 in terms of rounds.

I believe I saw mention of Whitaker's showing facial damage, but I believe that may have been due in part to the same butt that caused Oscar's cut.

This fight was one of several occasions that De la Hoya's opponent deserved a rematch, but never received another chance. Instead of granting Whitaker a rematch Oscar decided to face David Kamau( whose only feat was losing a close fight to Chavez at 140), Hector Camacho( I guess his win over Leonard at a higher weight was real impressive), Wilfredo Rivera(who had already lost to Whitaker), Patrick Charpentier( I won't give any flack here, I think he was a mandatory), and Julio Cesar Chavez(a couple years too late, and a couple pounds to heavy).

Quartey and Sturm were also deserving of other chances.

Oscar's all time standings will forever be affected by neglecting to give these fighters another chance. I almost hope Mayweather does stay retired so De la Hoya can see how some of these fighters feel.

 

A couple of points either way. During the close rounds I gave them to De La Hoya based on him willing to put shots together. Forget all the nonsense about only Whitaker having the excellent defense. Yes, he did have a brilliant defense and made De La Hoya miss, but he was also made to miss himself often. De La Hoya was actually cautious and measured himself throughout the fight. So it wasn't quite the matador v the bull. It was matador v matador throughout the entire fight more or less.


And Pea. Never score a fight with the sound off. It's unatural and simply not as close to the real deal as you'll get. Judges do not sit at ringside with earplugs in so they cannot hear the crowd or the sound of the punches. I've never bought into this theory about scoring fights with no sound.