Peak GGG Versus Peak Marvin Hagler

Golvkins fight night weight was usually 170 lbs, he went as high as 173lbs for the Rubio fight. Canelo who weighed in 154lbs while fighting as a Super Welterweight came in on fight night between 172- 174lbs. Most boxers now days gain between 10 and 20 lbs over night.15 lbs is totally normal and unexcessive.

 

That's crazy and there's a million examples of why. Thomas Hearns noticeably bigger than Mike Tyson? Hearns bigger than Frazier? Panama Al Brown around a similar size to Tyson? Charlie Magri bigger than Barbados Joe Walcott?

Ridiculous sorry.

 

This poster has told me before that the 118lbs Panama Al Brown is naturally bigger than the 225lbs+ David Tua.

He has to be trolling.

Has to be.

 

Hearns lost just two of his first 42 fights. One was to the man most consider the second best welter of all time and the other to a guy that is consensus top 3 or so at 160. He was leading Leonard when stopped and put up a helluva first round against Hagler. He beat umpteen contenders and two ATG's in that run as well as a guy not far off it. If that's not overly consistent I'd love to see the bar for "consistent".

Hagler had 67 fights. GGG had 45. Hagler crammed all these extra fights into a slightly smaller timespan than GGG. Hagler fought everyone at 160, GGG missed a heap. If you somehow haven't noticed modern "sports science" and the like has careers lasted a whole lot longer and fighters being far more effective into later ages. Late 30's now isn't remotely comparable to the same age in the 80's. Sparring has toned down, there's more space between fights, there's lots more put into recovery, the list goes on.

The highlighted is, and i mean this in as friendly a way as i can put it, absurd. All four of them have brilliant careers apart from each other. Duran is a top #3 lightweight and perhaps the best H2H ever. He certainly never met the other three at 135. He beat up Palomino at 147 and 17 years after winning the lightweight title he won the middleweight strap.

Leonard beat loads of contenders in brilliant fashion, beat an ATG in Benitez and won the 154 pound title as well. He would have won the 160 pound strap as well if Hagler wasn't his opponent at any rate.

Hagler came up the hard way, fighting the toughest contenders in their own backyard before reigning supreme for many years. Hearns was winning straps left, right and center, flogging contenders for fun.

It's like the casuals saying Ali/Foreman/Frazer/Norton made their names fighting each other or Ali. It's so much more.

So GGG is bigger than Hagler but Hearns is bigger than GGG. How do you factor in Hagler having a whopping 5" more reach than GGG but 2.5" less height. What are your ratio allowances for reach and height as weight apparently doesn't matter? If Hagler had 7" more reach is he bigger then? SRR has more height and reach than GGG, do you consider him the bigger man? Actually SRR has more reach and height than Mike Tyson. Would you consider Ray the naturally bigger man?

 

Well i have a few more questions and comments in my reply posted just now. I can't wait to see how SRR is bigger than Tyson despite starting as a lightweight. We also know some of the size claims for Tyson as a teen.

 

Yes, believing, or claiming to believe, that everyone has a naturally equal body composition, relatiive to their height, is possibly the most absurd thing I have read on this site.

 

It's wayyyyyy up there.

 

Just correcting your statement.

 

That's a race thing. Caucasians tend to have shorter arms for a given body weight than africans.

 

I see all the claims but i reckon it gets exaggerated. I also suspect there's a bit at play. Possibly one of those risk vs rewards? Maybe if GGG was American he may have provided better purses for all?

At any rate my statement works both my way, and your way.

 

Fair. Now poor old History has to factor race into size as well

 

Here's video of them stating next each other (which is always much better than a single photo) and though Golovkin is taller, aside from that I see little to no difference in "natural size". Indeed Hagler seems to have slightly larger hands and thicker bone structure.

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Duran also beat Barkley -who was a huge middleweight- when he was pushing forty.

 

Lomachenko lost a fight or two and all of a sudden General posters became obsessed with height and reach. Foster and Frazier would be intrigued to hear that Foster actually was the bigger guy in there. As you say: ridicolous.