Peak James Toney Versus Peak Joe Calzaghe

I never said it was gonna be one sided, I just think it's a mad matchup for Toney. James will still find places to land and will no doubt make it competitive, hell, he even made Roy put effort in. But I don't see him winning this one.

 

Calzaghe edges a decision in a tough fight. The better looking boxing comes from Joe to win the judges over.

 

I'm going with Toney, he's the better fighter, both offensively and defensively and would make Calzaghe pay for his mistakes.

 

Even if that were true, Hopkins was a far better LHW than Toney ever was, & arguably just a better/more well-rounded fighter in general.

 

Joe Calzaghe outworks him, Toney may land the occasional clean punch, but it’s not enough to overcome the workrate and he drops a decision.
Toney goes to the ropes looking to catch and counter, but Calzaghe feints, makes Toney dip to his right and Calzaghe makes him move onto the left hand, then follows up with combinations to the body then to the head as he comes back up, Calzaghe basically times the movement of Toney on the ropes.
He does what Jirov couldn’t do, with a bit more boxing.

 

Toney by close decision, his clean punches will carry the day. Calzaghe throws a lot but he is too open for counters and might suffer a KD or 2.

 

Calzaghe is the elite version of that Sunday School teacher who beat Toney on output and variety.

 

Yes but i don't see why you think Calzaghe is a bad match up for Toney when Toney has a perfect record against elite Southpaws. And has dealt with arguably an even more tricky Southpaw in Nunn who is more elusive than Calzaghe.

He also dealt with Jirov who threw a 1000+ punches so i'm not understanding why people think Toney couldn't deal with Calzaghe's workrate.

Yes a lazy Toney would get outhustled by Calzaghe but a peak Toney had good workrate and has thrown up to 800+ punches vs the likes of McCallum, Jirov.

 

I would go for Toney here just think at his best he was better than Calzaghe

 

I don't know why you keep bringing up him being a southpaw and comparing him to the likes of Nunn or Jirov, as all of these fighters are vastly different apart from their stances (or similarities between Jirov and Calzaghe's workrate). I think Nunn is a much better fighter than Calzaghe, and much more elusive as well, but Toney caught him when he started to become less effective while employing a near perfect plan.

Jirov had a great workrate, but once again, not comparable with Joe. By the time of fighting Toney, he settled on fighting in the trenches, and through that, he lost- Even though he kept the match competitive throughout.

And he'll retain a good workrate here, too. It'll be a close matchup where Calzaghe will only get the better of because he'll stay on the outside for most of the match. He's gonna refuse to trade with James because he would lose- He's barely gonna scrape it through this way.

 

I think that Toney is a much better fighter than Calzaghe, I also like him much more than Calzaghe, but I see him barely losing this one. If you need to, go back to my first post where I say, "I wouldn't want to watch this fight."

 

Joe by decision. Toney gets outhustled.

 

I'm bringing it up because it's a very valid point that Toney has an undefeated record vs elite Southpaws and didn't lose to any skillful awkward Southpaws nor did he lose to any Southpaws with high workrate.

Hence I don't see it as a bad style match up for Toney nor do I think Calzaghe has fought anyone close to a prime Toney's level.

 

DP, are you not picking up what I'm putting down? I asked you WHY you keep bringing up that he was a southpaw and comparing him to the likes of Nunn and Jirov, because these fighters have nigh NO relation to each other in terms of style. Then, instead of giving me a valid reason, you say "it's a very valid point that Toney has an undefeated record vs elite Southpaws", and, "didn't lose to any skillful awkward Southpaws nor did he lose to any Southpaws with high workrate."

I never put the fact that Calzaghe was a Southpaw into my argument, yet you INSIST on bringing up Toney's winning record Vs Southpaws and the fact that he never was beaten by any who were awkward or had a high workrate, when only ONE of those things mattered in terms of what I was saying.

I said that he was gonna stay on the outside because that's the only way he'd win, and instead of refuting that, you keep circling back to the fact that he's a Southpaw for... What reason exactly? You could make any number of explanations as to why James would win, but you don't.

Then see what you want to see. I don't think that Calzaghe fought anybody close to prime Toney's level either.

 

It's quite simple Toney dealt with elite Southpaws who had traits of Calzaghe for example.

Nunn the angles and movement, Jirov the workrate.

You're saying "Calzaghe will stay on the outside" but yet he's an aggressive Southpaw who has defensive lapses and has been caught consistently by far less fighters than Toney.

I don't know much clealer I can make it Toney will exploit Calzaghes defensive lapses and there's nothing in Calzaghe's game that Toney hasn't seen before regarding the Southpaw stance or the traits he has.

Toney will win with his more effective cleaner punches, better skills, better defence.