We can point to a certain time in swimming when the great Australian swimmer Shane Gould was dominant in the pool in the early seventies, within a year she was swamped by the East Germans. Shane Gould was the only person, male or female, to hold every world freestyle record from 100 m to 1500 m simultaneously, and the first female swimmer ever to win three Olympic gold medals in world record time, so we are talking about one of the greatest athletes of all time, I am an Aussie of the same era so I may be biased here, who retired at sixteen unable to compete with drug assisted rival swimmers. The two points here are roids work, where even a super athlete could be beaten with them, two this is the time that roids were becoming common use we know the East Germans had a program at this time but I can't see a fifteen year old Australian schoolgirl in the early seventies on them no matter how good her times were. here is a link about east german swimmers http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9D0CE1DA1731F930A35751C1A967958260
Interestingly, i recently read that most of the steroids being used was by amateur body builders/lifters. ...................got a confession to make Dopple? :hey
I can't really help but feeling that this thread has been a bit derailed. It has become more about if Lewis was juicing or not and which really was the best version of Ali in the 70's etc. Can't someone instead give me what they think would be a plausible scenario for the fight? Not just the result, but how it would unfold. I see the jab as a key component in this fight, for example. So whose jab would dominate? How much would Ali be able to use his movement? Would Lennox be able to impose his own rythm from the center of the ring, cut Ali off? How much in danger of a KO would Ali be? Is there any reason to believe that he actually could KO Lewis? And so forth, and so forth...
Agreed. I just can't see him going the distance. His chin, was not on the level of that of Frazier's and would not have allowed him to endure the punishment Frazier did.
Along with Holmes, I think Lewis is the toughest guy for Ali to beat and I'm including the likes of Louis, Marciano and Tyson when I say that. Lewis would have height, reach and power advantages and when he used it properly, a dominant jab. Ali would have to stay on his toes in this one and hope that Lewis's stamina (which I always thought was a bit questionable) would let him down in the later rounds as Ali himself started to tire. Ali takes the early rounds by boxing and moving, Lewis starts to come on in the middle rounds while Ali clowns and tries to buy time and energy through clinching and spoiling tactics as much as possible. Ali comes on again in the later rounds as Lewis tires. Ali takes a close and somewhat controversial decision.
Not bad, not bad. I think pre exile Ali decisions Lewis in a good fight. At some point post exile Lewis would beat him, not quite sure of what point yet.