Peak Liston vs Peak Bowe, who wins and why?

This what I love about chat with boxing fans like yourself. I agree with nearly every post you write Reinhardt BUT this lol. Sonny was a killer v smaller fighters. He was obviously good enough to mix with fighters his own size too. This fella bowe is 6ft5" with excellent everything. Jab, Right hand,uppercut and in fighting skills. Listons f.ucked in every department including size(he had on everyone nearly). Bowe if he wasn't such an animal, could sit behind the jab and easily tie him up on size alone. That weren't Bowe. Feeling out process, then its a dog fight. He had such a short prime that he gets pulled apart on resume, which is right. That said,the small window of his prime imo, he a top 5 h2h all time. Ridiculously talented and he squandered it for the fridge. Eddie Futch said to him, its well documented" you are the best heavyweight ive had and seen, but your too lazy and I'm letting u go"...you can say it about a lot of fighters that have abused a god given talent. For me this is the best example. Holyfield stated years ago that Bowe was the best big man he fought

 

Don't look at the golota fight mate for punch resistance. That's not prime Bowe

 

He was coming off his best victory. Coming into the fight, he was arguably at the peak of his game. And then he was exposed.

 

Your not a fan, that's all. Who was it ? Gonzalez ? Absolute shite as a pro forget his amateur pedigree !

 

It was KO'ing Holyfield.

 

That was a farce of a fight. Holyfield fought with a heart problem and Bowe was fat as fuc.k. both finished imo or on the down side. Bowe more so

 

There was no contention of a heart problem in this fight. Holy claimed he was suffering from Hep A. I am not sure if this was also cured by a faith healer.

 

Or agree, even. Don't know how Bowe gets the rep for being sturdy of chin. He may have been; he never gave us the chance to know for sure. And when he did go down it's because he was shot to pieces. At 28.

 

I think the poll is pretty accurate. Liston should be favored 2 to 1.

 

I'm not dismissing the possibility that Riddick Bowe might have beaten Sonny Liston. But I have to respectfully disagree with some of your points. Bowe was known for being an inside fighter and not the boxer type who took advantage of his height from a distance. His Jab was good but certainly not on par with Liston's who also had an additional 3 inches of arm length despite being shorter in height. Bowe's defense was notoriously poor which is partially why he's punch drunk today. He had a weakness for getting hit with strait jabs. And against one of the greatest heavyweight jabbers of all time with plenty of power behind it would be a huge problem. Evander Holyfield and ( arguably ) Tony Tubbs beat him at his pinnacle. I realize he was a very large, durable and hard hitting heavyweight with an awesome trainer in his corner and the ability to go 12 rounds if needed which is why I'd give him a chance against a lot of greats. But I'm not sure I'd steadfastly favor him here.

 

I'll take Liston here, These two actually fight kinda similar to each other. I think Liston overall power advantage and better jab would be the difference I see him busting Bowe up who'd be giving a lot back but over the rounds I eventually see him crumbling. Never count out Bowe though as he had the skills and especially the heart to stay in there.

 

You are wrong...height always plays the way a fight plan is played out. if one can utilize it ...thats what ali did he used his height/lean back style more than his reach which really wasnt that long for his height /average at best at 78 inches. I wouldnt expect most to claim Bowe having a better jab...were talking boxing right/ history? lol

 

Tubbs was a 6'3 240 plus slick guy,nothing like stiff liston who was easier to hit. the thing with tubbs was he has a long fast jab and was an excellent defensive fighter. see you guys can TRY and pretend these guys didnt exist and paint a unbeatble 6'1 210 giant all you like....reality from studying footage says otherwise. tubbes was an excellent student of the game who was also Bowes sparring partner so they knew each other. Card board Coetezer would be listons best opponents...lol

what you are purposley ignoring is the actual match up and trying to invite junk....and the end is Liston was subject to uppercuts from a a poor defense of bending forward torso forward and those Bowe uppercuts would do him in.

What if we actually USED the best versions of both? What was listons performance against chinny williams compared to Bowes against smaller but much tougher Holyfield? you cant even use Golota who was 6'4 240 pounds witha ramrod jab and heavier handed than Liston can you?

I dont rate Bowe H2H in my top 10 but against liston its clear he gets the win here. if we used the SAME fighters who fought ,one is just bigger and more polished and has win against more dangerous guys or the very least showed he could stand with them.

 

There was clearly something wrong with him. I t was probably severe lethargy from liver problems/hep C but those liver problems probably werent from shellfish. But Bowe should've never been knocked down and pretty much out on his feet for over a minute from a single punch by a man who was clearly not in any kind of shape to contiinue

 

Using a proven methodology, I stop reading when the factual is thrown out the window for the fanciful.

Good day, sir.