Peak Rocky Marciano V Peak Mike Tyson

You can direct your sophomoric remarks at someone else.

 

And you can direct your horrible estimations of modern heavyweights at people more invested in fantasy than reality. Lennox Lewis faced the most dangerous line-up, dangerous as in power punchers, of any heavy who ever held the crown. And he beat them all. Fat Tyson Fury wouldn't break a sweat against sawed-off plodder like Marciano. He could beerbong a fifth of Hennesey and and 8 ball and still whup Marcianos' ass. Different levels are at work here, a fleet footed giant of a man with finely honed skills versus a plodding manlet with minimal variation in his approach.

Go down to your local and gym and inform the big fellows how bad modern heavies are. That's my advice to you.

 

I picked Rocky but I don’t feel overly confident in it. You look up “war” in the dictionary, you’d get this fight.

 

I looked up war and found this...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Grenada

 

Horrible on what basis?
Holyfield - washed
Tyson - washed
Morrison - washed
Tua - showed no courage, ran for the entirety of the fight
Bruno/Tucker/Ruddock - barely above average
Briggs - had arguably just lost a decision against a 48-year-old Foreman
He arguably lost the Mercer fight. The same Ray Mercer who lost to a 43-year-old Larry Holmes, and a 18-9 Jesse Ferguson...
Lets not forget the fact that he got knocked out by McCall and Rahman (both of whom are not going on anybodys ATG list).
Is that really your 'most dangerous line-up'?

You mean the same Tyson Fury that just lost to a slow, roided-up MMA fighter that never boxed until his late 30's (who was also coming off an ACL injury)? That Tyson Fury? 'Fleet-footed giant' my ass.

You can throw around epithets all you want, that won't make your points true. Boxing is not a Mr. Olympia contest (or in Fury's case a Hot Dog eating contest).

 

I wonder how this thread went from Mike Tyson to Tyson Fury.

Going from Iron Tyson to Tin can Tyson...

 

I posted before in this same thread something on how Rocky "maybe" could pull an upset if he was able to survive the early rounds.

Problem is, for Rocky to pull this out, he would have to reinvent himself and become a defensive, conservative, safety first kind of boxer. But Rocky loved being the agressor, so it is unlikely he is going to become the Anti-Rocky.

 

He would still be aggressive. He might fight from a low crouch or he might not. He would bob and weave, keep his head moving, and throw a lot of punches as usual. The first order of business is to show Mike who's stronger and tougher. He'd bang on Mike's shoulders and midsection, and he'd attempt to back Mike up repeatedly by leaning, pushing and muscling him. I believe he can do this successfully. Later it becomes a contest of stamina, where Rocky is superior. When Mike gets tired he weakens and that's when he takes hard shots to the head.

 

Sure they did. Bruno and Ruddock came to knock Tyson out and hit him with some monster shots. Tillis had a different strategy, in that he was trying to outbox and frustrate Tyson, but it was still a form of adversity Tyson came.

Yeah Tyson was so mentally demoralized he damn near took Douglas's head off in the 8th round with an uppercut, and fought till he was knocked out and tried hard to get up but missed the count by literal nano seconds.

Do you really think we don't have eyes? Who are you trying to kid?

I actually agree with you here. To bad he's not making it into the late (or even mid) rounds for it to matter.

Yeah let's penalize the guy for getting early knock outs and not going life and death with aging has-beens. As for the bogus 10th round stoppage against Ribalta did you watch the fight? He'd just gotten up from a knockdown and was being battered silly against the ropes

Tyson needs to thank his lucky stars he never had to get in the ring with a 38 year old who lost 1 out of 3 times he stepped in the ring, or a 42 year old Moore.

Maybe Tyson did have deficiencies on the inside, but Marciano's not going to take advantage of it. The amount of damage he'd have to take to get inside in the first place would make this a very unviable game plan.

Sound advice. Guys like Williams, Thomas, Spinks, Holmes, Berbick, etc surely would've had better luck against Tyson with you as their coach.

 

Which swarmer beat Tyson?
Tyson has size ,better defence, faster hands ,and a better chin.He stops Marciano in about 7/8 rounds.

 

What good swarmer did he ever fight?
What fight did Tyson ever win through inside fighting? Look at the Holyfield fight. Holyfield was able to hold him harmless in the clinches, get his shots off and back him up even though he was a former cruiser (and washed up).
If Tyson is that much more superior to him then why would it take 7/8 rounds to put him away?

 

You mean the same Quick Tillis that was coming off 3 losses (one of which was to Marvis Frazier). The same Quick Tillis that would go on to lose to a 36-year-old Joe Bugner? Thats who Tyson couldn't put away?
What 'monster shots' did Bruno hit him with?
Trying to pick up your mouthpiece instead of just getting up is a sign of surrender. Anybody who understands boxing psychology could tell you that. If you're so determined to fight why are you so worried about your mouthpiece, surely you should be more worried about beating the count... He quit clear as day, his act of capitulation has been redefined by his fanboys as some kind of 'warrior moment'.
Are you going to compare a guy dramatically reaching for his mouthpiece instead of getting up to a guy who literally fought with his nose hanging off?
I'm not penalising him for anything. I'm just stating the fact that he didn't carry his power well into the later rounds and just generally got worse as the fight went on. There's no argument against that. Ribalta was clearly still in the fight.
Both Walcott and Moore are better than anybody Tyson ever faced.
Tyson and Rocky are the same height and Tyson didn't fight going backwards. When fighting a guy who's game plan requires him to get close to you, getting inside is not all that difficult. Do you think Tyson would start fighting like Larry Holmes and start sticking and moving?
Whatever you say kid. That wasn't really sdvice. Neither of those guys put up much of a fight for different reasons (fear, age etc.). The film is there for everybody to see.

 

Rocky a slow starter vs the human wrecking ball from the first round bell, as tough as Rocky was he would not be seeing a W against his name.

Now if Rocky were indeed able to survive a peak Tysons first half of the fight blitz of fast hard accurate combinations, and with a referee who was not too squeamish (as Rocky would be leaking a lot of claret) then Marcianos chances rise. Plus Rockys non Marquess of Queensberrys rule 'indescretions', might well make Tyson frustrated and want to feast on some Brockton earlobes and get himself DQ'd.

Peak Tyson prevails.

 

Go back to 1950 and call Marciano a 'plodding manlet' to his face.
I've got a better chance of surviving those slow, overweight, badly trained 'modern heavies' than you would have if you mouthed off to Marciano in person. Most of them look like they're throwing punches underwater.
Francis Ngannou already proved my hypothesis about the quality - or lack thereof - of your beloved 'modern heavies'. It's not even an opinion at this point. It's a fact.
If you look close enough you can see Fury's batwings jiggling every time he throws a punch.

 

If a few headbutts from Holyfield can drive Tyson off the deep in, what is Tyson going to do when the Rock starts tossing in his headbutt elbow combo??