PED use in boxing - Is it particularly an American based problem?

Spain says :hi:

 

Excellent contribution, it kinda makes sense with Wach now.

 

Preposterous statement, spitting bile and venom all over the thread with your twisted accusations :yep

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl atsch

 

Wach started his roid program once he relocated to America. Wach was merely a tall feather fisted low level boxer prior to that.

 

Okay, I've researched it and lived it. Without a shadow of a doubt PEDs aid in enhancing your physical state. And in sport, where yes you require the skill set to begin with, enhancing your physcial tools, which that skill set is based on, undeniably gives you an advantage. There are many papers out there concluding PEDs aid in performance, hence the name performance enhancing drugs. Saying it is placebo is not valid if an athlete is using real steroids or endurance boosters like epo. Confidence may increase, but that is a result from observing the physical changes. Placebo is a strong motivator, but if you've experienced these susbstances, then it's easy to see placebo alone cannot push you past your pre-disposed genetic potential, while PEDs can help.

The true limiting factor as to how much they help is in the athlete himself. Individuals have different base skill levels, different potentials/plateaus, and different levels of response and/or susceptibilities. So it is impossible to quantify how much they help from person to person. But without any doubt, they help.

If you are able to train longer, rest less, recover faster, become stronger, cut weight easier (beta 2's and diuretics), have more endurance (epo) etc etc etc.....then you are aiding your athletic endeavors, and aiding your performance no matter what the results are in competetition....that boils down to the individual, and their talent level, which can receive a little bump from using PEDs.

And there is lots of literature supporting and concluding they help improve your physicality. The one's with any conflicting results, are generally done with untrained individuals....yet one's conducted in athletes show a much higher and consistent benefit. The debate over how much they help is almost solely based on factors outside of strict physical improvements.

The question truly is how much they help, due to intangibles and individuality.

 

American problem? Ask this *****:

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Couldn't agree more. I do not rank RJJ, Holyfield, or manny anywhere in my Top 50 ATG. Primarily because their success relied on physical attributes. So without the PED's their success would've been diminished.

 

I may not live in the US, but I sure as hell don't live in a 3rd world country. A hell of a lot of boxers come from countries with great anti-doping program like Britain, Canada, Germany, Australia, etc... I don't know if I'm right, but I even believe that the headquarters of the world anti-doping agency is where I live, in Montreal... and believe me, journalists are doing a great job discovering dirty stories around here.

 

I was making more of a general statement. Testing will generate positive test results. The more tests, the more positives.

The fact of the matter is that most boxers implicated in America got caught up in firms linked to baseball players. Sadly, the boxing commissions and state athletic commissions didn't catch many of them.

 

PED side boxing.

 

Every fighter you name made a fat American named check$$$$$$$

 

no sh*t we have the best PED labs outside of Europe

 

You know what, I was born at night but not last night. I see through your bull**** and I'm calling it for what it is. You ain't talking about no ped problem, you talking about certain people and a certain country. If you were for real on a conversation about ped users, you would have been more diverse in your opening statement. Instead, it was an indictment of america and american athletes. This ain't the first time you posted some slanted ass **** about american fighters with a ****ed up disclaimer,trying to conceal your real agenda. ( envy and hate ). Yeah, peds is a problem but it's a world wide problem. What are some possible reasons, and some possible solutions, that's how you start a for real dialouge. :bbb