PEDS- Cheating or just part of the game

of course its different.

Firstly exams are not competitive sport, so the entire medium is different. Secondly coffee is a widely accepted stimulant in exams and the workplace.

Thridlt caffeine is allowed limited use in sport.

You couldnt be more wrong.

YOur issue is you are being absolute. You desire an absolute rule about a drug in general. There is none. Appraisal of the situation is necessary.

 

Oh please! How many people dont cut corners and end up going nowhere? Only people that whine about cheaters are the ones that cant keep up with the rest of the herd. If you aint cheating you aint trying.

 

This is a really tough one for me to answer and articulate. I'm all for trying and doing whatever you can to get a competitive advantage over your opponent, except when it could result in serious harm to anyone. Then again, if you suspect at least the large majority of elite guys in your weight class are using them and aren't enrolled in a strict testing program, you'd be foolish not to, like you're handicapping the hell out of yourself.

 

then bring a shotgun into the rng next time, andtry that line with the judge and jury.

if you arent APPRAISING what you are saying, dont say it.

 

This is the type of mindset that I can understand the best.

But it's not cutting corners, it's doing what one has to to win and gaining as many competitive advantages as one can to win. Cutting corners is taking a short cut, at least IMO.

 

Well it's cheating under the rules of the sport but it's so widespread and so poorly policed that you'd be jeopardising your career if you didn't. It's just one of many risks professional fighters expose themselves to on a regular basis.

 

Many cheat, & just the guilty discovered prove it is WAY more than the 1 in 200 athletes propsed above. While there are many ways to evade detetion, & some corruption in being called on it.

But some are making wholly unsupported assumptions that EVERYONE is doing it.
That makes no sense, & no evidence is provided.
Many have fear of detetion,including suffering the consequences, shame & commercial blowback-
&/or integrity about cheating.

Many have dabbled but not used systematically for years.

It is also irrational & very cynical to assume absolutely everyone who insists they are clean, privately & publicly, is a liar.

Some feel better muddying the waters morally, as if all drugs are the SAME in terms of effect & legality. Caffiene is not the same as hard drugs, especially in moderation.
And whether a substance is legal or a PED is the whole point!

WIth extreme moral equivalency you can be a healthy Saint, in Epic condition, but if you have dessert sometimes you are using a "drug".

Ridiculous.

Changing your whole body & its responsiveness seceretly & against the law is deeply wrong & contrary to all standards of decent, fair competition.
It also tangibly harms those who dedicate their lives & careers to JUST hard work & honest competition.

 

What about athlete that takes substance not on the banned list at the time. But added on later, and that athlete stop using.
Is he/she a cheater?
Nobody answer this question before.

 

With all the sacrifices athletes make to dedicate themselves as a professional it doesn't seem realistic to expect anybody at the top to be PED free, sporting glory and financial reward are at stake.

 

I think it is. There is no reason to believe EVERYONE cheats. Folks are deterred by thought of punishmant, shaming, lost money, glory, endorsements-or just being banned.
And then there is the question of ethics.
Folks with empathy & a conscience will tend to consider robbing others of their success, money & dreams...And not everyone can rationalize-fool themselves-that everyone or virtually all are also cheating.

It is unrealistic to believe nobody cheats or it is rare.
It isd also unrealistic to assume everyone cheats.


Regarding the question of if it is cheating to use a substance when not banned-it is NOT cheating.

But if it is in a class of drugs always banned- such as Androgens-it is an unfair advantage & morally wrong.
They should ban usig categories of drugs, such as adding red blood cells, or that do not just help raise testosterone levels indirectly, but provide it in synthetic forms.

 

Thanks for answering. I think the testing agency is always a few steps behind the chemist team that helps atheletes with the substance supplies.
Samples that are clean today might not be 5 years from now.

 

most fans of those cheaters keep saying everybody is doing it to justify their idol's action and to stop those who want to end this corrupt and illegal act that is endangering many lives

 

World boxing champion.