Penn looked so fit & strong last night - should he stay at 170 or not?

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by horst, Nov 21, 2010.


  1. horst

    horst Guest

    It's a good job that Rampage didn't take that attitude after two losses to Wanderlei...

    It's a good job that GSP didn't take that attitude after a stoppage loss to Matt Serra...

    It's a good job that...

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  2. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    BJ vs Fitch is gonna be good.

    BJ needs to be in better shape at the weight and not use it as an opportunity to train a little less.
     
  3. The Prodigy

    The Prodigy Member Full Member

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    Id love to see BJ fight Hardy, you know it would be entertaining as ****.
     
  4. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    In short NO !!!!

    Penn is not a 170lb'er , and never has been , yes he looked great in physique and atitude on Saturday but we have seen the way Penn looks @WW in the past when he's been there against top opposition I.E St Pierre , he's heavy with no real power and his TD defence suffers as well

    Hughes is a bit differennt , Penn has Hughes's number , stylistically he's all wrong for Matt Hughes , just the way Edgar is for Penn , not to mention Hughes is a seriously seriously shot fighter :deal

    I honestly think Penn's best weight is 55 , when he gets the cut right he's a frightening athlete and is enormous at the weight , if the UFC are gonna keep Penn @70 they should match him wisely , look after him a little , that said matching him with John Fitch isnt really looking after anyone now is it !!!

    For me , BJ should be welcoming Jose Aldo to 55 once he demolishes Josh Grispi , thats a headline fight right there , one i would have BJ as the underdog in TBH , but still a great great fight ..........

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  5. moreorless

    moreorless Active Member Full Member

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    WW does generally look like it suits BJ's "takedown defence and box" gameplan of recent years better than LW given that the division has always been pretty wrestler focused.

    It brought him sucess but I didnt like BJ's passive attitude in the buildup to the Edgar loss either. Guys like Kenny and Deigo should not have lasted as long as they did agenst him given the superirity he was showing. Hopefully fighting as more of an underdog(well less of a favourite anyway) at WW is going to bring back more of the aggresive BJ. If your going to fight a narrow game then depending on domination to win is a recipe for failure IMHO.
     
  6. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    I know what you're saying and I don't blame you for feeling that way.

    I've been a BJ Penn fan longer than you've probably known this sport existed. If BJ was going to beat Edgar he had his chance to do it and didn't take it in the rematch. Edgar has his number. He's too fast and too well rounded for Penn to beat him at this stage of their careers. If they fight again it will be another heartbreaking dominating performance by Edgar.
     
  7. yaca you

    yaca you Someone past surprise Full Member

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    you know who else has bj penn's number, gsp.

    so penn will be settling for second at best in either 155 or 170, I bet he gets beat more at ww than he would at lw.
     
  8. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    Maybe. Time has passed. BJ has rebuilt himself since the GSP defeat. If Penn cleans out the top contenders at 170 a rematch would make sense.
     
  9. yaca you

    yaca you Someone past surprise Full Member

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    you really think so.

    I dont know if penn could handle a third fight with gsp mentally.

    you never know though I thought rampage would get stomped by wandy again... with mma its hard to say.
     
  10. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    this is true, sadly
     
  11. marsupial

    marsupial Monkey Full Member

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    I personally wouldn't want to see a third fight between penn and GSP.

    Penn probably wouldn't be as ready mentally as he was for the first rematch, and GSP won't get any credit for a 3rd win against Penn, he's just too big for him.

    For GSP, in order to get some anticipated match ups its gonna have to be at 185.

    For Penn I'd definitely agree with a fight with Jose Aldo in the future, or any top WW besides St-Pierre. BJ is still clearly in the game, only Edgar can do what he did to him. :good
     
  12. Spunik

    Spunik Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Penn wouldn't beat Koscheck...
     
  13. horst

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    Fair enough.

    I've probably been a Penn fan since you were a single sperm swimming around one of your father's bollocks, and I don't believe that one clear defeat by Frankie Edgar means that a superior fighter like BJ has absolutely zero chance of fighting better against him than he did first time out, and getting the win.

    BJ felt he won the first fight, and BJ is BJ, to me he did not look at peak fitness or at peak motivation for the rematch, the way he did on Saturday for the Hughes fight.

    An absolute peak BJ still has the boxing, the takedown defence, and the ground game to give a points-scorer like Edgar all he can handle.

    As I have said, stylistically it's a bad match for BJ due to Edgar's speed and point-scoring tactics, but it's far from unwinnable if Penn comes in fired up, fully fit, and with a solid gameplan in mind.
     
  14. moreorless

    moreorless Active Member Full Member

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    I'd say theres a good chance GSP may move up to MW post Kos though, what else is there for him at WW after that? Nate Diaz maybe but thats hardly a mouth watering fight.