People are being way too hard on Kownacki

You've asked for a list after they fought and I provided you with one.

Robert Helenius is well past it and still managed to beat Adam Kownacki. What does that say about the latter? Adam Kownacki will remain around the top 20 or so for a couple of years, but he will fade into obscurity before we know it.

 

People complain endlessly about safety first heavies.... Well, the problem with action fighters, especially at heavyweight, is that they get stopped a bit more often.

As many have stated earlier, he takes way too punches. I fear for his health if he keeps in the game too long.

 

I prefer to give Helenius credit, obviously worked hard to improve his conditioning which was his biggest shortcoming. Kownacki was given a severe lesson.

 

I agree entirely with your summation and there's plenty of up and coming fighters that would handle Kownacki aswell such as Hrgovic, Bakole, Makhmudov, Kuzmin, Miller would be too big and Ajagba would find him very easy to hit. The relative novice Dubois would likely KO him out cold given how poor his defence is.

 

I never rated Kownacki to begin with. He needs to be thankful that that wasn't a Prime version of Helenius who was an absolute savage puncher before his shoulder injury.

 

It wasn't me who said he was never in the top 10. I think boxing rankings are an absolute shambles, so it is completely subjective. If somebody had him at 10, then I wouldn't have argued, but he wouldn't have been in my top 10 based on how I would assemble my own rankings based on my own subjectivity.

Essentially, before this bout with Robert Helenius, I'd definitely have at least 10 names for you that I'd be confident in beating Adam Kownacki. The guy is almost 31 and his best win is Charles Martin, via an absolute dogfight. He was also in a dogfight with Chris Arreola, who is utterly shot to pieces. This is the boxer who many touted to put up a serious challenge for a world title belt.

I can't wrap my head around it.

 

I don't see what Pulev and Ortiz have done recently that warrants them being categorically above Kownacki in the rankings. Pulev's been treading water sitting on a mandatory spot for years now, and Ortiz's last good win was a closer than expected tussle with Christian Hammer, which shouldn't guarantee you a spot in any top ten. Kownacki might not have the greatest resume in the world or be the most dominant in victory, but wins over Szpilka, Washington, Martin and Arreola are strong enough to jostle with wins over the likes of Cojanu, Martz, Kauffman, Hammer and Dave Allen, or Booker, Peter, Johnson and Hughie Fury surely?

 

I think that his wins are slightly better, but at the end of the day, these wins are still nothing of note. They are all a much of a muchness.

What's noticeable is that all of these guys who are treading closely to a world title shot, are all playing the same game, fighting 'safe' opposition.

It then comes down to the so-called 'eye test' for me. Luis Ortiz is past it, but I believe is still better than Adam Kownacki. Kubrat Pulev is old, but a more skilled boxer. I don't rate Luis Ortiz or Kubrat Pulev highly, but I rate Adam Kownacki even lower. He's a relatively small, fat, plodding boxer with limited skills. He's high volume against who he can be high volume against. At almost 31, fat and having already taken a tonne of punishment against questionable opposition, he's not going to age well. These are the sort of opponents that you should be beating comprehensively if you want mobility within your career.

 

So explain to me genius what the difference between 10 fighters that deserve to be ranked higher or top 10 ranking? I mean either way my list would be the same so your attempt to rephrase the question doesn't actually invalidate the list I have you, whatever you want to call it top 10 or 10 higher ranked fighters, it still proves the idea Kownacki was top 10 on anyone's list was ridiculous.

Parker not done anything for years? He was world title holder only 2 years ago. He gave Whyte a top 10 ranked fighter a competitive fight too.

Povetkin drew with Hunter, though I thought he lost, he beat Hughie Fury, challenged for a world title and will fight Whyte next, that craps on Kownacki's Szpilka, Washington, Arreola, Martin wins.

Ortiz, true other than losing to Wilder hasn't done anything since he beat Jennings that has been not worthy. But he would KO Kownacki in brutal fashion, worse than Helenius. I don't rate him that highly but he's at least 2 levels above Kownacki.

Oh and the list I gave is based on before the Helenius fight, otherwise I would of added Helenius to the list putting him down to 14th or 17th not 13th or 16th, I thought his omission would of made that obvious.

 

My response would be pretty much this. Resume's aside which recently there's little to separate them, the eye test alone and the skills they display convinces me that Ortiz and Pulev not only would beat Kownacki but do so easily.

Ortiz would KO him early, all that aggression with no defence he would be asking to be KO'ed by a counter puncher like Ortiz.

Pulev would jab and grab him, much like he did Chisora and probably break him down and perhaps even stop him late.

 

When Kownacki sleep at night he no longer dreams of 2 star buffets.. He now have Nordic Nightmares..

 

If it had been a four round fight and he some how managed to get up to survive the round he'd still lost a SD (38-37, 38-37, 37-38).
How was he on his way winning?