People Are Forgetting Diaz Is A Live Underdog.

Diaz is not the walkover people are making him out to be

 

Its called counterpunching. A good boxer knows where to press the attack to have an advantage in an exchange. If MAB & JMM were winning the exchanges, MAB would have opt to exchange and not be happy to run for 12 rounds, and JMM wouldnt kiss the canvas 4 times and be praised for his masterful counterpunching.

 

I diagree mate, Pac fights very well coming forward. A pressure fighter with a tight defense could definitely spell trouble for Pac. Guys like Juan Diaz and Ricky Hatton present terrible style match ups for him, because he doesn't fight well off the back foot, and doesn't have great movement. They also possess more strength than he doesn, and can use it to push him back and keep him off balance.

Diaz won't have the tools to beat him, and leaves himself too open. But an elite pressure fighter is probably the best chance at beating pac. Outboxing him is very hard to do, as shown by great counter punchers like Marquez and Barrera. If they couldn't do it effectively throughout the fight (not just in parts) and are some of the best p4p fighters in the sports, i would hardly call that a weakness on Pac's behalf.

He can be beaten this way, but looking at it stylistically, smothering his power would also be very effective.

 

Bad post. Heavily biased.

 

I agree with what you're saying if he was fighting Juan Diaz. Juan would destroy Pac and stop him IMO, but we're talking about David here. Pac doesn't fight well when he's being attacked, but Diaz is too sloppy, slow, light-punching, and shaky-chinned to back Pac up effectively without getting beaten up badly himself. I also don't believe he has the ring intelligence nor the skill to apply pressure the correct way against him.

If Juan Diaz vs Pac ever happens though, I think a lot of people will be surprised how easily Diaz tears Pac apart.

 

First of all good thread m8. Was thinking of making it myself last night. I don't know why so many people think that manny is just gonna blow diaz out of the water. I would not be at all surprised if diaz forces an upset. Yes i think diaz has fought lesser opponents by far and not really shone while beating them, however I feel he is just starting to hit his carreer best while manny is starting to lose it a little bit. Also he does have an extensive and succesful amateur carreer so he knows how to box when it is needed.

First of all, manny jumping up to 135 will not severely affect his power or speed. Even if it does he should still be faster and have more power in his shots than diaz. What I think it will affect is his stamina. Under roach, manny's punch output has decreased quite a bit, predominantly his power punches, however he does seem to land at a better percentage now seeing as though he uses his jab more. But I seem to feel that in recent fights he tends to fade a bit going into the later rounds. And against a fighter like diaz, who has a huge tank of gas, doesn't really get tired and opens up in the later rounds of a fight, this could spell danger. Add to this that diaz likes to bang to the body and pac could find himself in deep waters towards the end of the fight.

Now pac may have the greater power in his punch but diaz is a durable fighter and has a huge heart. I don't think that pac will be able to stop him or even intimidate him in the ring. Diaz is a come forward fighter that even when rocked, keeps his wits about and fights through it. He also has underrated ring smarts that could help him deal with the fiesty fillipino. So against contrary opinion, I can't see pac stopping him. Unless it is on a cut, as diaz does have a tendency to cut.

Also, diaz may be hungrier than some seem to think to keep his belt that has not been his for very long. I see him coming out tomorrow and fighting for his life and livelyhood. Winnin this fight could set him up for several large paydays. And he knows it. While pac and roach to me seems like they are looking past diaz to bigger and better days. They may just be saying this because they are beeing asked about the future, but I do believe that they are trying to set up the Hatton fight and even talkin to Oscar to come up with a way that they may be able to square off in the ring. If this is true it would be a mistake as diaz will not be a walk in the park.

Having said all of this, if you take away diaz's belt, this fight would be manny just testing the waters at 135. As other people have said, diaz is not the greatest champion in the world, but he is still a champion, and one that has waited a long time to become one, so do not discount his resolve in this fight. I'm still undecided but I see manny superior skill and arsenal winning out over diaz'z strength and stamina. But not in the blowout sense that alot of people are predicting.

Manny UD.

 

I agree with Hatton because Hatton has a few things going for him, his own boxing skills, his roughouse tactics, his own hand and footspeed and most of all, his size.

I still stand by the fact that Juan Diaz would get obliterated though. He gets hit far too much, at the same time he can land a 6punch combination against a guy and they will still keep coming forward acting unphased. Pac has shown to have a good chin so I dont see why any different. Difference is, if Pac lands a combination on any fighter so far, they clearly show their hurt. Juan Diaz cannot outbox Pac from the outside, and he cant outpunch someone with equal output, more powerful and faster. Pac also has fast feet to dart in and out.

Pac vs Juan Diaz would be very one sided, alot more one sided than people would think in favour of Pac. I think after Pac destroys a big fighter like David, the difference in power between Juan & Pac will be evident. A fighter who fits the bill of what you described is Castillo prime, skilled enough to get in and smother Pac whilst able to take plenty of damage should he need to, with his own power. Then again, I think Pac maybe too much for Castillo but i'll reserve my judgement on that until future fights of Pac show us what he can do at these weights.

I also agree that its very dificult to counterpunch Pac as even p4p masters at it have trouble doing it. However, IMO when fighting counterpunchers he is still at an style disadvantage and his ability to deal with them is more a testament to his p4p status.

 

Exactly right. The fight could go either way. It just depends whose stars align properly tommorow night. Much respect for them taking the fight. Especially pac. I know he is the heavy favourite and considered a sure thing, but I love the fact that he is always fighting a good calibre of opposition, which belive it or not, david is. He is a great fighter and will one day go into the books as one of the best. Can't wait for tommorow. :happy :happy

 

has anyone forgotten that diaz went the distance in his last fight against someone with a record of 14-5-2? And looking like utter **** in the process.

 

Juan D vs Pac!!! I bet a Lifetime bet with you!!! Pac will easily beat the Lightpunching Juan Diaz.

 

I agree up to certaint point. I believe (someone like/style wise) Mancini would have beaten Pac at 130/135 or at least I think he would have the edge at that weightclass over Pac. Mancini too restless, and fast and ready to rumble. Pac has not faced yet someone like Mancini.

You don't have to outbox Pac in order to beat him, but I do agree with you that height with good boxing skills + chin is an advantage. Actually a great advantage. As a matter of fact I think is the right combination.

In other words, a boxer with good + chin and not past his prime who happens to be a good counter puncher would beat Pac.

The main thing is chin....if you don't have chin then forget about it. The second one is balls, just stay right in from of him and counter him...you don't need to move side by side to confuse him, if you are tough enough you beat him.

Some examples at 135 are JLC, Corrales (suspect chin but tough) and many others with that style....Arguello at 130 or 135.

There are other styles of course that can beat Pac but I don't see Diaz fitting in any of them.

That's why I think....Pac by Ko or UD.

 

I agree.

if pac takes him lightly, I smell an upset.

Possible stoppage for diaz (if pac takes him lightly)

 

MAB went to the fight thinking he would not be like Morales and will survive the fight no matter what happen, even if he lose.

The fight was already decided for Pac even if it has not yet started.

 

but this idiot says that he is nothing special

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