People are underestimating the size/strength difference between Couture & Toney

I have great admiration for James Toney and for Randy Couture as elite fighters in their sports.

With all due respect...despite your post overall making a reasonable argument in Toney's favor, this is an absurd theory.

If Couture gets his hands on Toney against the cage, the fight is over.

Randy will not hesitate to take Toney down and when it happens, he will proceed to handle him any way he wants. He will beat him up, wear him out, maybe he will grab a limb and submit him, but most likely he will take his back and RNC Toney. If Toney does not not tap he will go to sleep.

I honestly don't think Toney can even make it through a round of fast paced MMA without gassing horribly.

I see Randy tapping him out early or winning by TKO when Toney can no longer defend strikes on the ground. Of course, Toney is not likely to be knocked out...but MMA fights are stopped when fighters stop intelligently defending...in this case due to gassing.

 

None of this really matters in my opinion. Of course, Couture will go in as favorite and has more than one way to win the fight...but if Toney lands a flush enough right hand then it's over. Finished.

 

Think about the difference between loose ropes and a cage for a second; how exactly is he going to lean back on a cage that has very little give? Randy also isn't going to throw huge punches one after the other like Foreman did; you might just have made the most ignorant comparison in the history of the known universe.

If Randy presses Toney against the cage, it is as good as a takedown; the fight is over with Randy winning.

 

all excellent counter pointz about toneyz weight

however i personally think the size and shape issue isnt the most significant part here. i think the STRENGTH is the significant part. thatz why i think randy will rip toney to shredz

 

Randy is beastly strong; he lifted Gonzaga, who weighs around 250, a good foot and a half in the air with a high crotch single.

 

I've been trying to tell people on here forever that wrestler's strength is immensely different then anything you'll find in sports. It is stunning how strong wrestlers are. I'm not a wrestler. I wish to hell I did wrestling when I was younger but I can say from working with moderate high school wrestlers to state champions that their core strength is simply unreal. No amount of boxing, muay thai or karate is going to prepare you for it. Unless you've tried to grapple with a wrestler and know what I'm talking about first hand then you're really not going to get it. Randy has the clear and immense strength advantage in so many ways...Toney better hope he lands well enough to stop Couture because anything but that and he's in significant trouble that it seems unreasoanble to think he can escape...

 

Toney has been getting flabby since 175! That should tell you what his natural weight should be. He was a 160-168, maybe 170 fighter. He moved up in weight because he is a bum when it comes to training. The reason he can go rounds is because he only spars. I've heard that is mainly what he is doing now, just sparring. In this case I think that is good but the roadwork, skipping etc assists training and he just does not do it.

I was hoping this fight would be at 205 so he would look respectable.

 

OH how cute! you put a little angry faced icon. What are you an 11 yr. old WWE fan??? How the hell is anyone suppose to take you serious when you use those stupid, childish, smiley face icons with your post. Wait a second... You know I am sorry, I am letting my anger get the best of me. I should not get upset with your kind considering after all my next door neighbor's kid also has down syndrome just like you. So please accept my apology.

If you would of read further then you would of known what I meant. I meant Toney will make room, or capitalize on any small mistake or opening Couture gives him. If Couture has trouble taking him down against the fence he will probably back off and that is all the time and space Toney will need to be effective.

 

Toney will pretty much have one chance to win this fight.. cause once Randy gets his hands on him he will be positionally dominated.


He has to catch Randy on the chin.. probably in the first minute.

Once Randy takes him down i find it hard to believe Toney will be able to work his way up.

 

In the event he doesn't get clipped...which is probable.

 

i dont think cotoure can do to toney what sherk did to franca...

...but IMO, he can pin toney against the cage and make toney gas out.

 

He's hoping he can catch Randy with an early KO, and thus prolong his relevance, however much bull**** it is, in MMA another 5 or 6 months.

I still can't believe this freakshow is happening. If Couture doesn't have Toney on his back in under a minute I will be stunned.

 

You sure are making an ass of yourself and you must enjoy being proved wrong all the time. You claim he was in great shape at 160 and 168. He did get his best wins, but just because he was thinner and weighed less is not the issue. If you call being in great shape a fighter who had to make weight by draining himself in the days before a fight then I guess he was in great shape. But Toney's conditioning at his earlier weights has been known by everyone who followed his career in the early days not to be up to par. He constantly ballooned up in weight in between fights, and had to drain anywhere from 30-40 lbs in 6 or 7 weeks. Do you think a fighter who balloons up and has to lose weight in such a drastic and fast way in shape????? No ****ing way! You show all these pictures and point to James performances against Williams and others, but he won those fights on pure talent. Toney had many more fights other than the ones you show. Many fights in which he looked awful because of the weight issues. Dave Tiberi and Reggie Johnson to name a few. But if you look at all of his fights during 160 and 175 you will see that he had many problems with fatigue during these fights due to bad habits such as partying, tremendous weight gain between fights. The Michael Nunn fight is a prime example, he had to loose a tremendous amount of weight before that match and he was loosing every rd until the left hook that put Nunn on his ass. He admitted he was totally weak due to the weight issue for this fight. He admited this for his entire career at 160.

Why do u think JT's career went into a nose dive after the RJ fight? Its because weight problems and conditioning issues. He could not make weight at 160, and JT in interviews stated he had to starve to make 160 and he never belonged at that weight. He could not make 168 for long, and he at last could not make 175 anymore. That does not sound like a guy who is in great shape and in superb conditioning to me.

I see you have a RJ picture up too. So I will use the RJ JT fight as an example of how wrong you are. If you knew anything about JT you would know that he was tremendously out of shape prior to this fight and he had to loose a lot of weight in a short time to make weight for the fight. The night of the fight he was already weight 185lbs. He gained 18 lbs overnight. That says it all. He has said it himself, the HBO crew covering the RJ fight also mentioned it during the RJ fight. If you knew JT at all you would know that his former trainer Bill Miller and manager tried to have him fight as often as they could because of his habit of getting out of shape and blowing up in weight. He admits it himself. Roy Jones even stated that Toney should of moved up to heavyweight years ago because of his size and weight issues.

He looks much more comfortable as a cruiserweight and if you saw all of his cw fights you would see he never tired in any of them. Compare that to his middle and supper middle weight days. He looks better, he fought better and he has admitted it himself in interviews that he was in better shape as a CW and his earlier part of his HW career trhan he ever was at the lower weight classes.

You point to RJ vs Ruiz, but that has nothing to do with JT. Just because RJ looks good better at 193 than JT does its meaningless because RJ has a much different physical build, RJ has always been slim and never had alot of fat on him. They just have 2 different builds, but it does not mean RJ was in better shape at 193 than Tony. RJ only fought once at that weight and went back down and got ko'd for it. JT stayed at cruiser and fought 9 fights and he looked awsome in all of them. Do you think if he was not in great shape he could of taken on Jirov for a 12 rd war??? No way. If u see the Jirov fight who was the one that was wiped out in the end ??? You are trying to compare there physiques, but this is not a body building competition. You should look at his performances. One sure way to know which time he was in best shape is look at all his fights at CW and add his first fights at HW before his injuries and compare them to all of his fights between 160-168, since there are so many just pick a majority of them. You will see JT at CW never had weight problems , never had fatigue problems. Compare it to his earlier weights and you will see how many times he struggled with fatigue and how less active he was during fights and end with how bad he looked in the RJ match.

So yes you are still way off base.