People discrediting Dubois’ level

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  1. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You're overstating Dubois it's not an A+ win by any stretch of the imagination.

    It's nothing to do with disliking Usyk it's just having a balanced opinion.

    I've already stated what I consider to be A+ wins and Dubois is certainly not on that level.
     
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  2. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I'm not even 100% sure that punch round the side of the mind landed and even if it did and that was a legit KD he voluntarily took a knee for the other 2 KDs due to the injury

    He didn't look fine it was plain to see his knee was injured

    It was widely reported he suffered a torn ACL. You want me to produce his medical records?

    Big Bang was gassed and struggling for air. He also managed to get up just in time to be counted out
     
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  3. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Yes, Dubois did go billy goat crazy on Hrgovic and another ref may well have punished him for that. But that's one of the huge advantages of having home advantage and home country refs or in Dubois' case in that fight a home ref on neutral soil.

    Guess what, Usky has literally never had a home country ref for any of his world title fights or fights at the world level and he's only had a combined 2 home judges for all 15 of those fights. Had he had a lot more do you think he would've 'lost' as many rounds as he has?

    This is one of the reasons which makes what Usyk is doing even more impressive, because he's achieved everything he has, to quote Andre Ward, ''the hard way,'' in his opponent's backyards and on the road where the chances of him getting robbed, either by the judges or refs, and having to contend with and overcome all of the other numerous disadvantageous factors, individually or combined, that can and very often do mean the difference between winning and losing, are that much higher.

    FTR, it's the norm in the US to have a home ref and three home judges for world title fights between a home and away fighter. The only country it happen in.

    Holyfield was a serial billy goat too. In fact, ironically, Don Charles has had Dubois watching a lot of Holyfield since they teamed up with each other

    Even worse, not only was Holyfield a serial billy goat he was a walking PED factory lab creation but he's one of those privileged fighters from another era who gets given the obligatory free pass for whatever they do or don't do, especially when you have that free pass passport too

    Andre Ward is literally one of the most dirty fighters I've ever seen. He didn't just billy goat the crap out of his opponent his entire game plan hinged on using every dirty trick in the book religiously and holding like an octopus

    Of course one of his idols is B-Hop who, again, employed every dirty trick in the book religiously

    Bowe was very dirty

    Greb was supposedly a notoriously dirty fighter

    Mike Tyson was dirty and a mentally fragile bully who not only quit on his stool but he quit by getting or trying to get himself DQ'd which some might argue is the female dog's way of quitting

    Rules for thee, but not for me

    Isn't it also strange how certain fighters ''ruin'' opponents but you never hear the same said about certain other ones? Usyk could never ruin anyone and it's not what he's doing in the ring and what he's allowing his opponent to do or not do in the ring that is the reason why he wins fights it's what his opponents aren't doing. But there's no agenda against him or anything, other than the rules completely changing for him :facepalm:
     
  4. CooperKupp

    CooperKupp “B.. but they all playin NBA basketball again!” Full Member

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    No but his total career body of work including amateur credentials does. And how insanely good he was in (He still is, but not prime anymore) his prime. Those things do!