People don't generally believe Ward could beat a prime Calzaghe do they?

AnotherFan,

Andre was happy to sit back and take a break.

You don't know that he wouldn't have fought Bute, had he not lost to Carl.

The reasons were valid to him.

It made sense to him.

He could have just said that, so he could take a break.

What do you mean normal behaviour?

Carl must have signed the for the Bute fight in March 12.

Andre couldn't even resume training until Feb, 12.

He was in no rush to do anything.

He was happy to take a break.

But the point is, he'd have never have pursued Dawson, if he'd been worried about Bute.

He was injured directly after the Super Six. He took some time out, then came back with a big fight. He didn't have to take that.

 

You talk about him skipping out on a unification fight, as though he'd said he'd never ever fight Bute.

It was his prerogative to have a break after the tournament.

It'd took a long time to win, he'd fractured his hand, and he decided that he wanted some time out.

That was his right.

You haven't given me one logical reason, as to why a guy who feared Bute, then went on to fight Dawson.

 

Dude... this isnt a joke is it? you really believe calzaghe's list of euro chumps at 168 is better than Ward's? Because they won some paper title in frankfurt or wales?? atsch
Prime Kessler was a legit win, i'll give you that. I dont care what age Eubank was - he was past it. Thats clear as day. I also love that you dump on rodriguez but note starie, woodhall, and veit as good wins :roll:

 

I think ward would of pulled it off

 

I don't know that Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao wont fight each other, eventually. There's still some ducking going on with those two fellas. A duck is no longer a duck, because we can't exclude the possibility of a future fight?

Appearantly.

With normal behaviour I mean jumping at a big, promised and anticipated unification fight where the opponent gracefully agrees to fight out of his comfortzone, a fight that will make money and be a great career move.

I don't mean the champ having his leftovers fighting the number one contender, because he wants to take it easy for a while. I can't recall any such behaviour in the sport before or after.

If Joe Calzaghe would have been inclined to milk his strap he wouldn't have stepped up and unified against Mikkel Kessler, so that string of fighting average mandatories never really happened. It makes no sense that Calzaghe would have stayed in his comfortzone and suddenly stepping up against someone dangerous, which he frankly didn't have to do.

Point is, Ward backed down from a big fight he had promised his fans. History wont change because he got himself together later on.

 

Come on now. Ward used the same excuse for not having to fight Adonis Stevenson, who he felt needed to win some big fights. Please note: not one fight, but "some" big fights. And Bute had to fight "one or two" A-level fighters. If you talk like that, you don't want to fight. If you don't want to fight, your ducking.

I've never heard the "entitled to a rest"-argument coming out of a fighter ever before. The Super Six tournament was rough, but it's not like it was a once-in-history-tough event. Save Kessler and Froch, Ward also fought average opponents like Bika, Green and Abraham.

If Ward would have acted out of rational reasons, he wouldn't have avoided his unification fight with Bute. Therefor, the reasons must have been irrational.

 

Explain how they were paper titles?
After Kessler lost to Calzaghe the next title he won was vacant
The first 2 world titles froch won were vacant
Were they paper titles?
Explain how they were not better?
You only rate Kessler, I exepct, because it is one of Wards better wins and because you know of him.
Tell me what was Rodriguez best win? Starie beat undefeated C Woods
Tell me how Woodhall and Veit were not good wins?

Notice you havent been able to put one good arguement forward atsch

 

A few days away and the rubbish I have come back to

 

Yet only around half of Calzaghes world title fights were in the country he was living in

 

Joe was rocked numerous times against Kessler and had to dig deep to get a points win.
He was never in it against Ward and got battered to a stoppage loss for the only time in his career.
After that loss he became WBC world champ after beating undefeated ATG Froch. Who was also beaten by Ward.

Hype job who would lose every round to beyond shot Roy Jones while he talked to people at ringside.

Hadn't fought at super middle in over two years and the last time he did he lost to Collins so he hadn't had a win at SMW in nearly 3 years.

He was fighting at LHW and boiled down to 168 in two weeks to fight Joe. After he went straight to Cruiser where he lost again. In short , he was past it and weight drained against Joe.

Why was Joe defending his title against a guy coming off a loss? And I believe he was floored in this fight.

Was coming off a loss to Malinga and gave Joey boy all sorts of hell. Many felt without Franks dodgy ref giving him a point deduction over nothing , he would have beat Joe. He was blown away by Froch soon after his de-facto win against Ottke.

Coming off a loss and at the end of his career.

Only beaten by Calzaghe because he was a 6 round club fighter nobody knew of. He even rematched this guy and it was such a non event , Sky refused to broadcast it.

Was stopped in 3 round by Achols and beat a no mane to warrant a shot at Joe who took 12 rounds to out point him.

Hard fight for Joe as well. He was doing a lot of holding, was knackered and feigned a low blow to get a rest.

Lost every time he fought for the title.

By your own admission Johnson was a non factor at SMW. Johnson lost to Ottke , Vanderpool, Branco and Sheika all in a row.
Sheika doesn't have any notable wins , only 12 loses every time he stepped up.

Who and whoatsch

:rofl

 

I believe /

 

I see a lot of resume talk, but does anybody have any technical observations on why Ward would have a chance against Calzaghe?

 

Nobody really takes ward that seriously now