People don't generally believe Ward could beat a prime Calzaghe do they?

calzaghe , just, and only just, edged out old Hopkins on workrate, since his punch quality was far below Hopkins all night...but Hopkins just stopped punching entirely when he gassed.

joe won on youthful lung power, basically

 

Joe ain't beating **** ...Name the best fighter he beat that was in their prime ?

Ward beats the breaks of him And Joe !

 

Ward's best win is still Calzaghe leftovers, but not the unbeaten
prime version. Ward has no skillset advantage over the welshman
and as in the late portion of the Froch fight he showed suspect
stamina which is why he'd come up short against the ATG 168lb'er.

Calzaghe 116-112

 

joe beat one really good guy Kessler


ward has beaten several, and without the benefit of them beng injured.

 

5 kids? Ward clearly has b*lls... something you know nothing about.

 

Bills?:huh Kids are pretty expensive but I'm sure your contralocutor at least has utilities to pay for...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dhjmSp30jc

Dre better have a solid gold pension plan if he plans running the rest of his career at his current rate.

 

A legally landed punch is a legally landed punch.

You obviously don't know anything about boxing. Rounds are scored on quantity of punches landed, defense, and effective aggression, with punches landed being by far the most important category.

Since Calzhage landed almost twice as many punches, it is almost certain that he won every round in this category.

There is no way to say that Hopkins won on defense when Calzhage basically landed at will.

You could give him effective aggression rounds based on the knock down, as well as the extra point for the knockdown as well, but there is no way to come close to salvaging a fight so clearly determined by punches landed, and as this is the most subjective category, a lot of these rounds could also be given to Calzhage anyway.

So lets us review what you have learned today- there are categories on which the rounds are scored. They are not just based your subjective opinions on who hit harder or slapped or whatever.

You are welcome for you boxing lesson.

The irony. I don't wrestle pigs, so we will let it go.

It could be argued either way. Again, here is where the judge's subjectivity would come in. Either way, there is no way to say that it turns a fight in which Calzhage landed almost twice as much. It doesn't work that way.

Good for one point.

Hopkins was badly rolled like a homemade cigarette. It wasn't even close.

 

yet its a split decision vs 43 yr old.

 

A 43 year old who went on to win other big fights masterfully.

And as the detractors themselves point out (indirectly), anything that Hopkins lost was countered by the fact that Calzhage himself was badly faded from the problems with his hands.

Calzhage won the fights with Hopkins and Jones when he could get them, and that it the bottom line. The split decision was absurd...maybe Ellerbe there once of the judges. Who knows?

 

An 18 year old Ward would probably beat a prime Joe.

 

and lose others too. his wins are emphatically NOT great ones unless you figure in his age.

he was beatable, boyo, especially using stamina advantage over an oldie that joe did.

ridiculous to claim a 36 year old was way past a 43 year old. fail again.

bottom line is 43 year old now able to lose vs stamina, joe got split decision over him.

there is no other fictitious bottom line, he was 43, he was quite beatable versus stamina and youth, and calzaghe was coming off his best win ever Kessler, so was close to prime.

DO NOT HOLD IT AGAINST ME THAT JOE PICKED 40somethings as his career pinnacle. I dint tell him to. He did it by free will. blame him.

 

You can slice it any way you like, he beat Hopkins when he could get him in the ring. You are putting yourself in the paradoxical position of saying that Calzhage only narrowly edged it (which is false) AND that Hopkins could not have won. Doesn't work that way.

I never said he was say past Hopkins, only that his hand injuries are a counter balance to be taken into consideration. And they are. bodies fail at different rates for different people.

I didn't fail in the first place.

And Joe lost power due to hand injuries.

It should have been a unanimous decision. Joe Dominated Hopkins.

Joe Beat Hopkins when he could get him in the ring. He himself was far from his best as he could no longer punch with impunity due to brittle hands. Still, he executed a strategy that dominated the fight. It should have been a wide unanimous decision. Regardless, he won and it was a great victory over a fighter who still retained greatness.

 

how am I slicing it any way I like, I am telling you the result of 36 year old calzaghe vs 43 year old Hopkins split decision. This is exactly off wiki, boxrec, joes record, hopkins record. it is the stone cold truth.
Its you who wants to slice it differently from this iron fact.

You call it a great victory. now tell me any fights from the last 100 years of boxing history that have been great victories over 43 year olds. start now, you have the rest of the year.

 

I don't think Ward beats prime Calzaghe but he would beat the Calzaghe that fought Hopkins and Roy.

 

You could be correct. I happen to agree with this highlighted point