People forget Mayweather was walking down cotto/mosley

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  1. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    There is a difference between walking down and closing distance.
     
  2. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He appears off-balance often because he is slipping out of such unorthodox angles. Manny has incredible footwork. It's just not anything fundamental or orthodox. He does things weirdly, usually opposite of conventional wisdom which is why people usually say "He's technique is horrible, he makes so many mistakes, etc."

    You'd think people would realize by now that Pacquiao is special and great in a different way. He's not Mayweather who has mastered technique and fundamentals FLAWLESSLY where he is the perfect fighter because he does everything textbook perfect. Pacquiao has mastered a style perfect for him though, weird, unconventional...but it works, really well and leaves him almost unbeatable.

    That's why this fight is so intriguing.
     
  3. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You don't know what you're looking at if you think Manny has great footwork. He has great foot speed, but his footwork is technically flawed. It looks splendid to casual fans who will ooo and awe at it.... but it is not technically correct and Manny leaves himself off-balance. Great foot speed should not be mistaken for great footwork, there is a difference.

    Unless you want to explain how jumping off the ground with both of your feet while throwing a punch is good footwork? :huh

    Yes, Ricky Hatton had better footwork than Manny Pacquiao. It was actually one of Ricky's best attributes and a large part of his overall success. Ricky didn't have a long reach, and had to effectively cut off the ring (Ricky was much better than Manny at it) and get in position to punch. Footwork. Ricky also had under-rated foot speed. Depending on who you talk to of course - People who don't know anything will diminish Hatton as a boxer. He had an excellent career and was very good.
     
  4. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    They're we go with the "technically" flawed.

    Pacquiao isn't a technical fighter.

    If we go through "technicalities" then we would see Pacquiao does A LOT of things wrong. But he doesn't fight the textbook style that goes along with conventional wisdom... he fight the Manny Pacquiao style.

    I don't think Mayweather fans can accept this because their minds are folded around a great fighter is someone who does things the textbook way perfectly, which is who Mayweather is as a fighter.

    Pacquiao's footwork is great. His mastery of angles and being able to slip out, craftiness, and defensive capabilities with his feet are all very strange and amazing. It's great because it's effective.

    Pacquiao does things his way, not the textbook way. This may cause Mayweather fits who thrives off being a the perfect boxer.
     
  5. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thank you for agreeing with me and many others who keep saying it: Manny doesn't have "great footwork," what Manny possesses is "great foot speed."

    "Manny does things his way, not the textbook way." - Yes, he is "technically flawed." Boxing didn't just get created with Manny Pacquiao. There is a "reason" these techniques exist. I have a feeling you and many others are going to find out May 2nd why that is.
     
  6. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    See, you don't get what I'm saying.

    I attribute greatness with how effective it is, not if it falls in line with conventional wisdom/textbook teachings.
     
  7. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nonsense. There have been many fighters with flawed technique that were successful. That doesn't change the fact that they had "technical flaws."

    You don't just rewrite the rulebook because your favorite fighter doesn't follow it. Sorry. You are going to find out why his footwork is so sloppy May 2nd. Speed won't bail him out this time around.

    It wouldn't surprise me at all if Pac gets knocked down from being off-balance. Not even hurt, just bad foot position. And it wouldn't shock me if it happened more than once.
     
  8. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm not rewriting anything.

    For example, there is a basketball player, Rick Barry, who made free throws in the strangest way. He made free throws Jackie Moon style. This was a professional basketball player, and I'm not kidding you this is how he made free throws.

    Guess what? He's the top 3 highest FT % shooter to ever live.

    His FT form was the strangest thing. Does this mean he's a bad free thrower because it doesn't fall in line with the conventional FT shooting form? Nope.

    Same way with Manny. His footwork isn't bad because his success with it is incredible.
     
  9. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Did you really just compare shooting a free throw in basketball, to footwork in boxing? :lol:

    Your man crush is seriously revealing right now. Manny Pacquiao doesn't have great footwork. Just deal with reality and move on. Nobody with any sense as a boxing coach would EVER teach you to do what he does. EVER. Think about that for like 15 minutes straight and let it sink in. NOBODY WOULD TEACH YOU TO DO WHAT MANNY DOES.

    Seriously, one of the first lessons as a kid was about leaving your feet and being off-balance. All that bouncing around nonsense just gets you put on your rear end. :deal
     
  10. Typhoon

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    once again, whoever has cared to pay attention, walking Pacquiao down is a NO-NO. You are playing into his strengths - incredible foot speed, incredible hand speed and incredible ability to move out of the way after stinging you with flurries.

    If i were training anyone fighting Pacquiao, i would basically use JMM'd strategy.

    1. ALWAYS Let Pacquiao initiate the attack, he gets impatient and prone to get reckless
    2. Counter him all the time
    3. Keep your distance and make him over extend
    4. throw a lot of punches, don't fight defensively. Being an aggressive counterpuncher is the key.

    The folks that have had success against Pacquiao have thrown a lot of punches (JMM, Morales), countered him a lot.

    The guys i've seen try to walk Pac down have gotten absolutely humiliated in the ring. When you walk Pac down, he is patient and content with his opponent taking risks. Floyd is good, very good but boy would i love to see Floyd walk Pac down for 12 rounds.
     
  11. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    See. You're so biased that you can't even make a simple connection to understand a much bigger point.

    Yeah, you're right. Because nobody else could do it & be successful with it like him.

    I'll just quote Mayweather, "He [Pacquiao] makes a lot of mistakes....but he's still successful."

    It'll be Mayweather's job to figure out how and why Manny is still successful in the span of 6 rounds. No one has done it yet. It'll be a test to his greatness.
     
  12. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why is that? Because it is NOT great footwork. :lol: He has "great physical attributes," not technique.

    Actually, in case you missed it: Manny Pacquiao has been defeated, and knocked out 3 times. I'd say several people have figured it out.
     
  13. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    Floyd will stand center ring no matter who it is in the ring with him. Floyd hasn't stood toe to toe for 12 rounds against anyone ever. Floyd has gotten smarter and smarter. Floyd breaks you down, and then trades with you around rounds 9-12. Floyd knows when to move, when to trade and when to stand his ground. Moving against Pac would be a big fail. That's where the Pac nation has things twisted lol.
     
  14. Typhoon

    Typhoon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    anyone who says Manny doesn't have good technique is a in idiot. Now is his technique as good as floyd? I don't think so


    Put on Pac vs Rios and you'll see a boxing master class, a genius at play. Yes Rios is not Floyd but still, Rios = Maidana.
     
  15. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's like talking to a brick wall.

    Knocked out 3 times, he's a bum. He's awful. All his success is pure luck. Mayweather is going to knock him out in 1 round.

    :patsch