People make a big deal about Hopkins' Age to give higher tribute to his ATG status...

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  1. m8te

    m8te Oh you ain't know? Full Member

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    I think this is undoubtedly misleading and unnecessary. The Hopkins who dismantled Kelly Pavlik was only near the half century mark chronologically. His body is nowhere near that of a typical 44 year old because of living a healthy life, and starting boxing relatively late. He hasn't been in many wars, and the ones he has been in are scattered around his record, never coming in succession. BHOP is undoubtedly a truly all time great fighter in my opinion; his rise to the top of the boxing world has truly been of epic proportions, but it is nothing more than misleading to try and legitimize his All Time Great status on the basis of his age going into the fight with Pavlik in particular, but even going as far back as De La Hoya and Trinidad, and even future fights, win or lose. If BHOP loses (obviously until he starts getting up into the late 40's and early 50's, when no fitness regiment will keep him firmly at the top) it will not be because of his aging body, it will be because of a superior fighter who outworked him or out thought him, and any serious bhop fan knows that is how it has always been.

    George Foreman coming back from a decade long layoff to rise to the top of the heavyweight division and capture some form of the heavyweight title, is a feat of age. Archie Moore capturing the Light Heavyweight Championship of the World against a young bull named Yvon Durelle after having been in, LITERALLY, so many wars you couldn't sufficiently count them on all of several people's fingers and toes, and clearly being over 40 both chronologically, and in Ring years, is a feat of Age.

    Opinions please.
     
  2. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  3. m8te

    m8te Oh you ain't know? Full Member

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    haha, sure budd. you're sore:lol:
     
  4. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    psssst

    Hagler didn't win the first fight with Antefeurmo
     
  5. beatdown

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    No you can definatelt tell the differance between the hopkins who fought pavlik, and the one that fought Trinidad.
     
  6. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    One, Moore did not capture the title from Durelle, he was already champion and was making a defense of his title.

    two, B-Hop's success in his 40's is easily more impressive than Foreman's, and right there with Moore's.
     
  7. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm 41, I'm in incredible shape, always have been, and stayed in the amateurs rather than going pro at the right time, and I am slowing down, losing my gifts and overall, deteriorating. Bernard is a boxing god. Small g.

    That is all.
     
  8. m8te

    m8te Oh you ain't know? Full Member

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    you're right, my bad.

    I don't completely with your second point about moore's, he had over a hundred fights, and Foreman had been out a decade.
     
  9. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    Beat me to it Cobra.

    :good
     
  10. PATSYS

    PATSYS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hopkins' fanatics would say that if the 40+ years old Hopkins dismantled a prime Pavlik, then the prime Hopkins would look about 100X better.

    Fact of the matter is that the young, prime Hopkins was not that much better than the 40+ version. He could not look good against Taylor 3 years ago. Then of course he was green when he fought Jones 15 years ago when he was 27 :roll:
     
  11. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    Oh and I almost forgot...there is no way the original post of this thread is even remotely accurate. Longevity in a sport is a rare and amazing feat because it is exactly that...rare and amazing.

    I have this sense that your knowledge of Hopkins career begins very late in it and traverses his major fights only. Im not going to use the word "hater" because honestly, I dont feel you are (and I ****ing cant stand that word or the way in which its used on this site). But I do feel you have a narrow outlook on the career of one of the truely great fighters this sport has seen. And a main reason for that greatness is the age in which he truely reached that "great" status.

    You are faulting Hopkins for leading a healthy lifestyle and having the dedication to be great, especially late in life...later (and at least on a greater scale) than most in the history of the sport. That should be commended on the highest of scales...not trivialized for the point to further a personal agenda.
     
  12. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Amen, bro. Its hard to be a boxer in your 40's, people! REALLY hard!
     
  13. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    What he's doing remains amazing because not all fighters have that kind of dedication. The man kept his body clean and in shape all his career, if that's not dedication then what is?

    Other fighters can't wait till a fight is done so they can party, stay up late, drink and stuff their bodies with junk food. That's normal and we all love to do it, can anyone stay away from such activities like Hopkins does?, it's easier said than done. Look at guys like Hatton, Morales, Cotto and many others, as soon as a fight is done they are spotted drunk, out of shape..etc

    Not trying to downgrade other guys but it takes a REAL professional to do that even in his free time, that's why Hopkins is doing what he is now. Let's face it, these days guys at 44 ar threatened to die from illnesses or whatever, Hopkins is dominating/threatening guys half his age in a deadly sport(possibly the most dangerous) at 44. If you can't see that then you must have issues or know nothing about boxing training and the sacrifices these guys make to compete.
     
  14. motownsiu

    motownsiu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    well when you compare where hopkins is and where holyfield is, it's pretty amazing.
     
  15. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He's a hater. Period. And he's been factually wrong in major ways two seperate times in two seperate threads on this same subject, so even worse, he is an uneducated hater.