People not factoring in defense while scoring invalidates their cards completely.

LOL he's never filled one im

 

Can MVC come up with a single example using all of the many fights he has scored?

Or did his work suddenly get too busy forcing him to leave the country again???

 

But he's the best scorer on ESB.

 

LOL I so believe he really thinks he is

 

Every time he disagrees with a rd CST or IB score, he secretly whispers to himself, "i'm better" as he pats himself on his head.

I do happen to agree with his point, HOWEVER, probably not the way MVC would interpret it as pretty sure he would take it too extreme to favour the dudes he wants to ass bang. But overall its a fair point.

 

Never been wrong if he's never posted a score card.

 

Can we talk specifics? I've always thought that what scores defensive "points" is when you see a boxer able to cause an opponent to miss punches while at close range. This could include skillfully blocking a punch or parrying a punch (if a fighter sees a punch coming, gets his glove up to intercept the punch before it hits the head or body). Another defensive point scoring moment is when a fighter gets into punching range, forcing the opponent to throw a punch, then moving out of the way before the punch can score. This could be using upper body or head movement to slip a punch or it could be to simply move away at the critical nanosecond that the fighter is trying to land on you, causing him to whiff and swing through air. When an opponent whiffs and loads up but swings through air, that's really like an "air ball" in basketball. It's something everybody notices and really should stand out and score more defensive points than just basic "lucky" blocked punches.

When these specific defensive moments happen, they are really as good as landing a punch in my estimation, and sometimes enough to swing a round if the round is close enough. (even if the defensive evasion / block / parry isn't followed up by a counter punch) Mainly what scores points for "defense" for me isn't just 'overall defense' but specific moments where a fighter gets into punching range, gets close enough to make the opponent think he can hit him, then when the opponent tries to hit him, he either blocks the punch, parries the punch, or gets out of the way of the punch.

Being in punching range, and causing an opponent to miss is more of a "defensive point scoring moment" than just a fighter staying out of range and causing a fighter to miss a jab short trying to walk you down. And if a fighter blocks, parries, or makes an opponent miss from close range, and follows up with a counter punch landed, that's twice the amount of points, 1 for the defensive evasion / block and another for the counter punch.

I agree with the topic, but I think we need to distinguish between overall defensive skill in a round (which is more subjective) and specific defensive evasion moves (or blocks / parries) while within punching range. I give more defensive points to making an opponent miss while at close range on a per instance basis than from just staying outside and using your footwork.

 

Defensive success is too subjective where as punches landed is much more objective and therefore should be the measure of success.

 

What about giving specific examples like Shadow asked of you??

Pick one rd, any round that shows what you mean.

Unless its too difficult for you to think of a single round that you scored differently than the norm based on defence in all of the many fights you have watched???

 

I would like to know if MVC can give us an examples of what specifically he is referring to, like a round where the masses may have not paid enough attention to the defense of a fighter and gave the other fighter the round.

I will say (and I know this is going to be unpopular around here because, by and large, for whatever reason Canelo is just hugely disrespected on this forum) that you can find many rounds in Canelo's fights with Floyd and Golovkin that the "masses" seemed to ignore his defensive skill and had Canelo losing rounds where he was the superior defensive fighter. (with more "defensive point scoring moments" in a round, yes even vs Floyd, even if he arguably still lost some of those rounds due to not landing as much as Floyd, he was actually the more impressive defensive fighter in terms of the highly skilled defensive moves he was pulling off while being within punching range)

I do think Canelo is a good example of a fighter who has good defense but actually stays in punching range usually. (not as much vs Golovkin, but still he stays in punching range more than most fighters who are considered defensive masters)

I'm glad this topic was made, because this really does need to be talked about more. I agree in the general sense that too many fans ignore defense when scoring a round, and it would be very good to actually pinpoint how defense should be scored. Like you said, Examples of rounds in fights that MVC is paying attention to what a fighter is doing defensively that other fans seem to be ignoring. I do want to know more about what MVC is referring to, but also I wanted to highlight what I look for which is specific defensive point scoring moments or "moves" specifically when a fighter is in punching range, and makes an opponent look silly by swinging through air because he got into range to make his opponent attempt a punch then moved out of range at the perfect time to cause him to miss. Or moments where a fighter actually sees a punch coming and blocks the punch with his glove, pushing it aside and stuff. That kind of parrying really impresses me and when that happens, it can be even more valuable than a landed punch.

 

Good post.

 

We also should score the haircut and haircolor.

 

Standing in front of someone making them miss means nothing unless you can land your own punches.

Imagine a fight where one person throws a thousand punches a round while the other avoids every punch but throws none of is own?

I'd say the aggressor gets the nod.

 

Posters here use defense to support their agenda. My complete argument would see me charged with racial vilification so I will leave it at the first sentence of this post.