People on on the wrong track w/ lefties and Floyd!!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by wylan911, Mar 13, 2015.


  1. wylan911

    wylan911 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I had to post this to put my 2 cents out. People i think are on the wrong path when giving there observations about why Pacquiao will give Mayweather trouble, saying that it is Pac's speed, fast combinations and angles that are going to win him the fight. I say you're wrong, and here is why:

    Look at this list of fighters that has given Mayweather troubles:

    Jose Luis Castillo- Mayweather's 1st opponent at 135, JLC was the champion great technical skills come forward fighter, but was also a good counterpuncher and had a great body attack.
    He trouble Mayweather by smothering, going to the body, he was already in the division and was the bigger fighter was able to bully May a bit

    ODLH (to some extent although i had the fight 8-4)- Mayweathers 1st fight at JMW, Oscar is roughly the sae height, maybe a bit taller, and had a functional 15-20lb weight advatage on fight night. Was able to bully May on the ropes at times, had a semi effective jab in early rounds

    Miguel Cotto- Cotto had an effective 15-20lb weight advantage going on fight night, Cotto has one seriously effective jab, great infighter, was able to bully Mayweather on the ropes.

    Marcos Maidana I- Had an effective 10-15lb weight advatage and was able to bully Mayweather along the ropes.

    If you'll notice that list does not include Judah, Corley, Mitchell, Ortiz, all of which are lefties and or carry world class speed. The reasons:

    Mitchell- TKO6, Southpaw, was dominated thoroughly from the beginning of the fight was knocked down twice before fight stopped in the 6th rd

    Corley- Southpaw. Yes he caught Mayweather with a good shot, one of the few times Mayweather was visibly hurt, Mayweather dominated to an 11-1 dominant ud, Corley down twice in the fight

    Judah- Southpaw with world class speed. Arguably won 2 or 3 of the 1st 4 rounds (note i said arguably) was dominated from round 4 on, most specatators (and ringside writers) believed he would have stopped Judah had it not been for the melee in round 10

    Ortiz- Southpaw, who had functional 10-15lb weight advantage, was being peppered at will by both straight ights and left hooks before losing a point in rd 4, and subsequently koed (regardless if you think it was a cheap shot, he was still knocked out) May was functionally ahead by 5 pts at the time of stoppage

    He has'nt really been caused any trouble by southpaws, or speed I believe May and Pac's speed are equal, Mayweather also is excellent w/ timing which is the enemy of speed.

    The common denominator of those that gave him troubel was a functional size and strength advantage and the ability to bully him. He hasn't to date had any trouble w/ skillsets ie fighting in the middle of the ring.

    If you add these to the fact that May wa born into boxing Father, and both Uncle's professionals, boxing is second nature to him. Pac by adnission of Roach before he started training him was a one-handed fighter who didnt know angles or anything.

    I could be wrong, I'll admit. Just it doesnt seem to me Pac possesses the tools that have historically given May trouble, and May being the more natural (born to it) boxer.

    And we know this fight will be fought in he middle of the ring, I just dont see anything but a 8-4, 9-3 10-1 ud for mayweather , and the rounds i believe Pac wins are the rounds it takes May to figure the timing on Pacs speed. If he figures it quickly, maybe even a shut out
     
  2. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    Your ****ysis is flawless and spot on.
     
  3. DanishPride

    DanishPride Well-Known Member Full Member

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    lmao Cotto and Maidana had an weight advantage look close. Mayweather looks like the bigger man. There is a reason why he keeps his fight night weight a secret. You are a clown if you believe that.
     
  4. wylan911

    wylan911 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Cotto looked like a JMW to May's WW in the ring that night. Not sure which fight you may have been watching
     
  5. DanishPride

    DanishPride Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:nut:nut:nut:nut

    keep believing that. You also believe in santa claus?? There is a reason why he dont want the public to know his fight weight. I'm going to leave it at that.
     
  6. wylan911

    wylan911 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Watch the fight mate.. That might be a good idea before you comment. You'll notice the moment when Cotto man handles him when they tangled up. Lifts him if i remember correctly. He was bigger, by at least 15-20 lbs mate. Trust me
     
  7. Real-G

    Real-G Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Floyd does not rehydrate 15 or 20 after weigh ins .. This would be hard press for someone to says he does when he make weight 2 to 3 months out. Which goes to show, he is never really out of shape and stays no more then 5lb of his fighting weight year round .
     
  8. herbzg

    herbzg Euro-Level Athlete Full Member

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    I've been saying this for quite some time. See some of my earlier thread/posts. The only fighters that have really given Mayweather trouble are fighters with huge weight/size advantages..except for Canelo. However, Canelo tried to outbox Mayweather, which wound up being his downfall.
     
  9. wylan911

    wylan911 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Exactly. I figured that pinning him on the ropes would have been the blueprint ODLH would have been giving Canelo.
     
  10. GOW7

    GOW7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    OP killed it. Some pac**** that never saw both fights claimed Floyd was bigger than Maidana and Cotto which is clearly a load of ****e. Statistics back up the OP's case as well. Floyd lands power punches at a higher connect percentage against south paws. It's really not that hard to combine all of the evidence to paint a realistic picture just as the OP has. Floyd is a far more dangerous opponent when facing south paws. Just watch the damn fights.
     
  11. wylan911

    wylan911 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think another advantage is adapting. Roach fighters don't tend to have anything past a plan b, if they even have a one. Whereas May has shown the ability to go from plan a all the way to plan d, all in the same round.
     
  12. wylan911

    wylan911 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    +1
     
  13. GOW7

    GOW7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That comes from intelligence which is also a Mayweather advantage. Awareness is another advantage which then leads to timing which as you stated kills speed. As much as a great puncher Manny is, he's not the most accurate. I've seen guys like Shane Mosley who is not known for elusiveness make Manny miss 4 to 5 pinch combinations easily. The pac****s are judging with their hearts, not their brains.
     
  14. darryl1914

    darryl1914 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Here is the funny part. Pacquiao fans and Mayweather haters (same people actually) belives that because two southpaws arguably won a few rounds and landed some good shots of Mayweather, this somehow translate into an easy KO vitory for Pacquiao. But wait, hold on...Pacquiao being KO and literally put to sleep by a 40 yr old orthodox, counter-puncher means absolutely NOTHING to them. win, lose or draw, I just hope Pacquiao retires and leaves the sport....and take his fans with him.
     
  15. wylan911

    wylan911 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    +1

    Glad you brought up Pac KOing May. How in the hell does someone that a smaller guy who hasn't KOed anyone in 5 years gonna KO someone who hasn't ever even been done. (That Zab shot just knocked him of balance, true out could have been technically called a knockdown though)