People on on the wrong track w/ lefties and Floyd!!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by wylan911, Mar 13, 2015.


  1. wylan911

    wylan911 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Good points, i think the only flaw in this thinking is that the difference In those southpaws was all were with the exception of Mitchell at worse case scenario equal in size to May, Pacquiao is much smaller, and while you are correct that Pac i do believe is on another level speedwise than those fighters and a couple were able to pose a different kind of success and problem. As someone else here mentioned Floyd's power punch connect % was also outrageous against those southpaws. And in the case of Corley especially Floyd fought a very offensive strategy.
     
  2. Zaryu

    Zaryu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes, you're right about the size differences, but I don't think that's going to be very significant. Also, if Floyd is landing more power shots, chances are we have a pretty damnot good fight on our hands :bbb
     
  3. wylan911

    wylan911 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    True
     
  4. Windigo

    Windigo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    PaPa please all the haters on the forum were talking about all the trouble Manny would have with Clottey because of his counter punching. Of course you have a point. You have to punch to be a counter puncher.

    But you just reiterated what I said. You are focusing on Marquez. You really have a hard time bringing up other counter punchers to the point that you have to try and sell EM as a counter puncher.

    There are more counter punchers on Manny's resume than Marquez. Most of them got annihilated.

    In his career Manny has had trouble with only one "counter puncher". Manny doesn't have trouble with counter punchers. He has trouble with Marquez.
     
  5. wylan911

    wylan911 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think that had to do more with the fact that Clottey is a huge WW, i don't think anyone ever confused Clottey with being a good counter-puncher. If they did, shame I them.
     
  6. wylan911

    wylan911 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That's a pretty huge one though... Lol plus both MAB fights were close, yes hee stopped him in the f first one, but it was close up to that point. EM is a good counter-puncher, so that's 3, not 1. And with those 3 being the only elite level counter-punchers on his resume, I'd say my assessment is still very valid.

    You tried to get on my level though. Nice try.
     
  7. remi

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    good ****ysis!
     
  8. Windigo

    Windigo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The first MAB fight was not close at all. Manny had won almost every round. And neither was the second. You are reaching now.

    I understand that when your world view gets challenged you reach. But face facts. Manny doesn't have trouble with counter punchers. He has trouble with Marquez.

    There are plenty of road kill counter punchers on Manny's resume who thought they had a chance because they confused trouble with Marquez as trouble with counter punchers.
     
  9. wylan911

    wylan911 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I will admit i didn't see the 1st MAB fight, i did the 2nd, and it indeed was very close. Now back to that only one thing, again that was a huge 1, but since there was also EM was also a counter-puncher and he Did beat Pacquiao, that makes it 2, and since there are only 3 elite level counter-punchers on his resume (i don't give a **** about those others) that makes 2 out of 3 that he had trouble with. 2 of 3 constitutes a problem.
     
  10. wylan911

    wylan911 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Now back to May and southpaws, you can't say the same. 1 won 2, 3 possibly 4 rounds. As Virgil Hunter was quoted saying earlier 8 rds to 4 is not struggling with someone, that's a butt whooping.
     
  11. Windigo

    Windigo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You are really trying to make a lot out of EM who got knockout out their next two fights.

    He initiated and backed Manny up in their first fight. While he did use some counter punching it was more pressuring the pressure fighter,
     
  12. Windigo

    Windigo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Like I said I dont think its southpaws but a good left hand. We saw it with Oscar and Cotto both orthodox but both with great lefts.
     
  13. wylan911

    wylan911 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Really, because it was the right hand (of both Corley and Mosley) that were the only 2punches to ever visibly hurt May.
     
  14. Windigo

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    It's not about hurt. A jab isn't going to hurt anyone. But one thrown with pop has shown itself to be a problem for Floyd.
     
  15. wylan911

    wylan911 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lol, ok if you say so. I actually agree that a style besides the bullying style that has been too only to trouble him would work. And it has a lot to do with the left hand. But it is again nothin that Manny possesses. And that it's a good fundamentally sound jab with a powerful right behind it. I have long said the only "boxer" i believe could have beat him was Vernon Forrest. And i truly believe that. Again though Pacquiao doesn't possess that ability. Truth is Pacquiao is very one dimensional. He does fight from awkward angles, he is very fast and had really good pop. But he often is off balance his hands are usually really low when he jumps out, he has trouble with counter-punchers because he is open when he jumps in and out, he is very fundamentally flawed, and his athleticism (speed) has allowed him to get away with it against the likes of most he had fought. May is a different animal who will figure those flaws quickly, will time his speed and will capitalize.