People say Floyd only takes fights he knows he will win...

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  1. compukiller

    compukiller Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'll do whatever I damn well please, first of all.

    Secondly, What it means is that Team Pac selected an opponent that Roach is on record as saying is not that good. Which means, they thought it was an easy fight. One they were sure they would win. :deal
     
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  2. compukiller

    compukiller Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So Hatton being knocked into the ring post and brutally KO'ed by Floyd had NO EFFECT on him then?
     
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  3. Andy McNab

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    You are talking about Pac again! Why?
     
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  4. puga_ni_nana

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    hatton bounced back from that loss. you can see the effect in his fight with lazcano but still he dominate him. the real evidence that he is back from his ols confident self is when he demolished the #2 LWW in malignaggi.

    so by your logic, pacquiao now should have been feeling the effect of his knockout loss to torrecampo and singsurat right? and hatton being rocked by collazo should have an effect on him in the floyd fight.

    it all comes down to one thing, hatton was effective at 140, at 147 he struggled.
     
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  5. FORMIDABLE

    FORMIDABLE Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pac doesn't get criticised as much because his fights involved some perceived risk, I guess except Mosley. If you'd said he be beating those guys easily before he moved up you'd be a deluded *******/lunatic. De La Hoya was supposed to seriously hurt him and possibly end his career. Hatton was supposed to give him a tough fight, same as Cotto. Clottey gave all the top welters he fought tough fights and made them all look bad. Margarito was a monster welter and he fought him giving up 17lbs in the ring. Now he's fighting a guy, Marquez, who has proven he has the style to pose him a lot of problems. As a fan I'm happy with how his career has gone since moving up for De La Hoya, obviously besides the Mosley fight. Looking back at that fight though, he got 25 million (if anyone deserves these paydays it's him) and there was no-one else who was really a legit threat besides Marquez (who he's fighting next), so it wasn't that bad.
     
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  6. compukiller

    compukiller Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You must be blind if you think he dominated Lazcano. He won, but he looked like ****, and was getting hit and hurt all night long.

    Hatton never bounced back from the Floyd loss. Malinaggi was a fighter who had NO CHANCE of hurting Hatton, NONE. He is an opponent who also loses focus in big fights quite a bit.

    He beat Malinaggi, and I do respect the win, but he still did not look like the Hatton who KO'ed Castillo or made Kostya retire.

    Roach is on record saying he thought Hatton wasnt even good to begin with, so him being KO'ed by Floyd would not make him better, it would make him worse.

    A KO like that takes something from you, anyone with a brain knows this. Your Examples: Cotto after the Margo beating, Margo after the Shane KO, etc.

    See a pattern here?
     
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  7. puga_ni_nana

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    are you even comparing the version of malignaggi and castillo hatton fought? castillo was already done by that time and was about to collect a fee that his promoter would get from him due to past debts. so basically castillo has no fight left in him. hatton smashed a malignaggi who was coming from a set of impressive wins. hatton was rocked by lazcano but other than that he dominated the whole fight. have you actually watched it?

    so by your logic, ortiz is now never the same because of his beating from maidana? marquez was never the same because of his wars with pacquiao? a KO doesn't necessarily mean it has taken from you, it could also mean you could learn from it and bounce back. in hatton, the defeat from floyd was an eye-opener. but he knows that it was against the top p4p fighter and he can be the best again at his very own weigth at 140. he proved that in his malignaggi fight until he ran unto a better fighter in pac.
     
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  8. compukiller

    compukiller Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's a nice bedtime story, but it doesn't hold up.

    Malinaggi is feather fisted, everyone knows this. You have to have some pop to keep Hatton off of you. Malinaggi (who looked awful in his fight previous to this against Ndou) had no ability to really test Hatton's punch resistance, which diminished since the Floyd fight. Lazcano, who is not murderous puncher, but has some decent pop, had Hatton hanging on for dear life more than once. Hatton's punch resistance had diminished.

    Ortiz was beaten up by Maidana, but he wasn't knocked out cold, or sent dead first into the ring post. He quit, which is bad, but he quit before he got an even worse beating or a possible KTFO situation. In short, he had not had his lights turned out.

    Ortiz has struggled in fights, but he proved in the Berto fight that he can, at the very least, take a very good punch. Berto dropped him with some hard ****, and though he was badly hurt, he got up and dropped Berto.

    His punch resistance, up until now, is still intact. His damage against Maidana was more mental, and it seems that he has matured in that regard. He could have quit at points against Berto, but he dug very deep, and pulled off the upset win.
     
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  9. compukiller

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    I take it you didn't read the OP.
     
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  10. puga_ni_nana

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    hatton was also rocked by collazo. i take that you would not say that his punch resistance was taken by collazo right only mayweather could take it.

    the malignaggi version that hatton fought was way more better than the castillo that hatton fought. malignaggi was still up and fighting while castillo just outright quit without getting up.

    so what about him getting dropped by berto twice? so you think ortiz chin was damaged by maidana and berto or it only applies when pacquiao is fighting guys that has been dropped or knocked out before? judah was stopped by tszyu before, so basically floyd was fighting a guy whose chin was taken out by tszyu yet failed to stop him.
     
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  11. compukiller

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    The point is that Hatton got KO'ed by Floyd, and bad KO's reduce punch resistance, and Hatton clearly showed evidence of this in his subsequent fights.

    Yet many give Pac tremendous credit for KO'ing him, yet when Floyd did it, it wasnt that impressive due to the weight (nevermind the fact that Hatton outweighed Floyd in the ring that night), and say that being KO'ed the way he was in dramatic fashion had no effect on him, which is flat out ridiculous.

    The double standard is amazing, which is the main point of this thread. Yet Pac has been following in Floyd's footsteps as far as opponent selection in recent times, and fighting them AFTER Floyd.

    Floyd is getting slammed for fighting the same guys in better conditions than Pacman.

    Now if, you think a win is a win, then so be it, but that works both ways.
     
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  12. puga_ni_nana

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    so you are saying that beating hatton at 147 where he is not effective is equivalent to beating him at 140 where he is a beast and laways perfroms well? beating jmm at 147 was better than beating jmm at 130?

    oscar is better at 154 but consider the circumstance that pac was actually coming from 135 and a jump to 147 was big enough jump already.
     
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  13. compukiller

    compukiller Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hatton did not perform well after the Floyd fight. And the funny thing is, you ignore that Hatton outweighed Floyd in the ring (he would have at 140 as well), so using the weight as an excuse is not acceptable.

    And again thats what you get for calling out the champ at a weight that you dont think you can fight at.

    And you mention Floyd beating JMM at welter, but Pac fighting him at that weight 2 years and some rough fights later just fine (especially when Pac himself says he is a natural junior welter)?:think
     
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  14. puga_ni_nana

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    i am not actually giving much credit to pac even if he beats jmm now. even if this fight is held at 140 since jmm is unproven at these weights. but at least pac could make a statement and honor the 144 catchweight that jmm requested. i was actually mentioning jmm at 130 where pac had beaten him.

    hatton did perform well in the malignaggi fight, a genuine top LWW fight between the #1 and the #2. are actually saying hatton is not impressive in that fight? pac fought hatton at his best weight after the maliganggi beatdown. remember the new slickrick?

    so answer this simple question, at what weight hatton was more effective at 140 or 147?
     
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  15. compukiller

    compukiller Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was more effective at 140, prior to his crushing KO defeat to Floyd Mayweather Junior at 147. :deal
     
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