People say Pacquiao took lots of clean shots, but...

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  1. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It seemed really clear to me that it was a ploy to get Clottey to open up on him. I don't think the majority of these punches weren't avoidable - The jabs abd straights were great, but on the inside, I think the majority of shots Pacquiao took, he did so thinking it was the only way to set his own counter punches up.

    I just don't think his defence was too bad. He was in full control.
     
  2. nipplefloss

    nipplefloss Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Explain the logic behind taking three left hand uppercuts in a row to "create openings" and then failing to actually counter any of them.
     
  3. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Clottey didnt throw punches back, so Pac got complacent and just stood there bombing away. Im sure if he wanted to he could have flurried, get out and repeat. Most of the time he wasnt even bothering to get out, he was trying to stop Clottey...trying too hard almost.
     
  4. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Pac is a sucker for uppercuts. His guard leaves an opening down the middle. If he thought Clottey had KO power Im sure he wont stand still to simply try block their punches, he will do what he did against DLH and get out the way at all cost.
     
  5. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'd assume he was expecting a right hand, which didn't come. He definetly had no problems taking the punches and didn't adjust after each one. He was obviously in control at that point.
     
  6. onourway

    onourway Haye KTFO1 Wlad Full Member

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    Why wouldn't he have just got out of the way after the first one if it was an issue?

    Not as if Clottey threw 3 fast, consecutive uppercuts. There was quite a bit of time between each one.

    I made this point as well about Pac. He was in full control, he was prepared to take punches to make Clottey engage with him and then he could land more damaging punches of his own.
     
  7. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah, I think you're right. People may find it hard to believe, but look at the Cotto fight for the second knockdown - It was EXACTLY the same thing. Pacquiao willingly let Cotto unload his best punches whilst he sat on the ropes, then fired back and it worked.

    Pacquiao is a come forward fighter but his knockouts come from counter punches, because that's when he utilizes his unorthodox punching angles and speed most effectively. Like many counter punchers, he isn't afraid to face punches coming back at him. In a fight he had pretty much won, it's not unrealistic to think he would freely take punches to try and stop his man.
     
  8. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Maybe it's not so bad but he was visibly scuffed up after Cotto and Clottey. I'm not sure it's a good idea to bait full-fledged welterweights when you could probably make the lightweight limit without much discomfort.
     
  9. normnix

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    Early in the fight? No.

    Later on when the fight was pretty much decided? yeah he was trying to get clottey to engage. But he took some clean shots early.
     
  10. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Just rewatched the first round when Pac was actually bothering to move and "box". Pac practically slipped or blocked all of Clottey's jabs & right hand.
     
  11. Gander Tasco

    Gander Tasco Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    yeah I've said this before, Pac just loves to fight. He invites guys to hit him.

    When he was boxing though he actually picked off a lot of clottey's straight rights and hooks.
     
  12. yumbaa

    yumbaa New Member Full Member

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    Roach is always talking about Pac retring soon citing he doesn't him to take the same punishment he himself (Roach) took in the ring resulting in his Parkinson. It's been suggested in some circles that he is worried about the health of Manny if he carried on whilst sustaining that level of punishment.
     
  13. InHumanForm

    InHumanForm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    so now the excuses for pac getting hit clean are simply "he did it on purpose, he likes to get hit in the face!" ?????

    :rofl

    i guess no one who ever hits pac in the face clean will ever get their due since obviously pac is letting it happen on purpse. ya'll are crazy
     
  14. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not really excuses, basic analysis of the fight.

    Watch the first round, vs Pac in later rounds when hes trying to finish Clottey. He's fighting completely differenly, one hes "boxing" avoid hits, later he doesnt care bout getting hit, just trying to stop Clottey.

    JMM gets his due, Cotto gets his due. In the first few rounds, Pac was genuinely trying to box and Cotto was just doing better.
     
  15. nipplefloss

    nipplefloss Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There's no question that he was in control, and took them just fine. My point was simply that if he was waiting to counter the third in a series of three telegraphed uppercuts would have been a good time to do it. Instead he ate all three and the Clottey went back into his shell.

    He wasn't particularly concerned about the punches but I doubt he was intending to eat them either.