People say that if Pac would have hurt Floyd he would have finished him

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  1. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    People seem so certain that Pacquiao would have finished floyd based on the fact that Floyd was stunned by mosley. Don't you see that same logic can be applied to why Floyd would beat Manny.

    If Marquez would land a right hand at will so could Floyd. If Larios could nearly KO him with a right floyd would probably finish the job. If Clottey and Marquez could last a full 12 so could floyd.

    I could go on and on but the point is they have fought 710 rounds between the 2 of them and if you are basing your prediction on one round of all those rounds, then you are being kind of silly or better yet thinking with your heart and who you hope would win then with your head and who will actually win.
     
  2. CocoJumbo

    CocoJumbo Member Full Member

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    Only thing people are saying is that Mosley had Floyd hurt and did not press it any further. Instead of going for broke and landing more power shots when he had him sitting against the ropes in survival mode he just let up on him.

    If the SAME EXACT opportunity had risen for pacquiao we all know for a fact Manny would have thrown 100 punches trying to get Floyd out of there.

    Don't read too into it man it's simple
     
  3. hagman1989

    hagman1989 the boxing site , try it Full Member

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    the thing is the second round of mosley - mayweather has no bearing at all because shane hits harder than pac any way


    so if pac did land a bomb i doubt floyd would be as stuned as he was
     
  4. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    1) Mosley has harder one shot power than emmanuel does
    2) Emmanuel can be manhandled and clinched moar easily than Mosley due to being a "light welterweight" like his dumbAZZ fans like to claim
     
  5. boxsensei

    boxsensei Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mayweather was stunned, but it's not like he was on ***** street. He had complete control of his faculties, and he remained calm, and that's why Mosley couldn't do anything further with him.
     
  6. TheJuggernaut

    TheJuggernaut Hitchslap Full Member

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    This.
    Shane let him off the hook. Manny wouldnt.
    Would Manny have ko'd him? Who knows, I think he could have, but the point is that he would have went for broke at that point, unlike Shane
     
  7. nipplefloss

    nipplefloss Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mayweather tied him up long enough to clear his head and after that Mosley lost his chance and his momentum. Opening up wildly against a great counter-puncher who still has his wits about him is a good way to get yourself hurt real fast.

    You can coulda/woulda/shoulda it all you want but Mayweather recovered fine and went on to score some meaningful punches of his own at the end of the round. Would it have been different if it was Pac? Maybe. Would Pac have gotten KOed by those punches from Mosley. Maybe.

    Nobody knows, that's why people want to see them fight.
     
  8. Brady

    Brady Active Member Full Member

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    Your attempt at logic fails at the bolded part. Both Clottey and Marquez have finished fights despite taking vicious beatings. Floyd has never taken a vicious beating. We've only ever seen him get hit with 1 flush shot every 20 fights or so and it was not pretty. There is no premise on which you can base the statement "If Clottey and Marquez could last a full 12 so could Floyd."

    Just doing my part to help you folks with some of the logical errors I see here all the time.
     
  9. StreetsOfGold

    StreetsOfGold Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pac lands punches clean on the chin that is the key word here at some point in the fight pac will land clean on mayweathers chin of that I have no doubt.Mosley hit floyd more on the side near the cheek, I got pac via KO against mayweather.

    If pac can take cottos punches he sure as hell wont be too worried about floyds power.

    Besides how is it a proven fact that mosley hits harder than pac at this stage of mosley's career ? I think pac hits harder unseen punches and more accurately.

    Floyd will be in survival mode and have his best Nike on against pac it's the only possible way he could beat him he cant trade with pac.
     
  10. nipplefloss

    nipplefloss Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mosley took Cotto's punches easily and walked him down but Floyd had him backing up all night and scared to throw. So by the strange punch calculus that people like to use here Floyd is a better puncher than Cotto.

    Meanwhile Margarito took Cotto's punches easily but Mosley beat him into a coma.

    That would indicate that Mosley hits harder than Cotto, and Floyd also hits harder than Cotto.

    I don't actually think it's that simple, since obviously styles and ability to apply power count for a ton, but I do think Cotto's power at WW is pretty overrated.
     
  11. Sweet Pea Pacquiao

    Sweet Pea Pacquiao Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't think he would've finished him but he would be able to land with more regularity now that Floyd would be less than 100% sharp in his reflexes.

    If that fight goes down today I have Pacquiao by a very close decision because I think he'd be able to do what Shane and Zab did early on, except with the stamina and willingness to come forward and eat shots to throw his own. He'll win the fight with the judges based on volume and power punches landed.

    If an aged DLH can take at least 7 rounds on one official scorecard (I thought he took 4 in my book) by applying enough pressure behind a jab early to push Mayweather into the ropes and make him throw off the back foot, then a prime Pacquiao would be more than able to sustain the same attack over 12 rounds, from a southpaw stance no less. Manny would eat quite a few shots, but his chin is excellent as stated by the fact that he has never legitimately been knocked down since coming to America 7 years ago (In comparison to Floyd taking a knee against Famoso Hernandez after landing a punch which wasn't really a KD or getting truly knocked down by Judah after touching his glove due to a landed PUNCH which was REALLY a KD, Pac's only recorded KD in America was the first round of Barrera I when LAURENCE COLE erroneously ruled a slip a KD...watch it yourself). Pacquiao would keep coming forward and unless Floyd really hurt him with his accuracy AND volume, of which the latter I think he lacks, Pacquiao could win rounds alone based on his pressure and underrated accuracy.
     
  12. Brady

    Brady Active Member Full Member

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    No doubt that Floyd hits much harder than Cotto. Floyd may simply be the stronger man, but his timing and accuracy increase the power behind his punches exponentially. Cotto does not compare.
     
  13. saul_ir34

    saul_ir34 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Pac could not finish JMM after knocking him down 4 times.
    He couldnt finish a weakk DLH.
    He couldnt finish a beat up Cotto.(ref basically did a mercy stoppage)
    He couldnt finish an old Barrera.

    Now what?
     
  14. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Shane didn't "let him off the hook". Floyd remained calm and composed and tied shane up and didn't keep giving him openings. Shane coulnd't go all out and throw 100 punches because he would have been countered. In the third round Shane thought he still had the advantage and pressed the attack and got countered silly and sutnned with some right hands. If the same thing that happened with manny Floyd would have tied him up, put his weight on him maybe even fouled him with an elbow or a low blow to survive, regained his senses and been back in a round or 2.
     
  15. goblin 2

    goblin 2 Blue Goblin Alliance Full Member

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    You can add clottey in that aswell...very well put..