people talk about 147 not being hattons weight....

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  1. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Its also common knowledge that Castillo is shot to ****. So why make the win out to be more than what it was?
     
  2. sambob

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    135 is Hattons IDEAL weight, but he doesn't have the dedication to stay in shape between fights so he can make weight.

    However saying Hatton is too small to fight at 147 is absurd. On fight night, whether he weighed 140 at the weigh-in or 147, Hatton weighs over 150 lbs!

    Hatton's camp claims after the fight that Rickay has no business fighting at 147. However the proof that they did not think fighting at 147 would be problem is in the weigh in. He came in well under the 147 lb limit. Hatton was cutting weight, as is proven by the fact that at the pre-fight weigh-in he came in well OVER the 147 lb limit, over 150 lbs in fact. If his camp knew he was "only a 140 lb fighter" why would they WEAKEN him by draining him down BELOW the 147 lb limit? They didn't think the weight would be a factor. They thought they were stronger, tougher, and rougher than Mayweather and found out that Mayweather was not just faster and slicker - but also stronger, tougher, and if he wanted to he could be rougher too.

    People say the evidence for him being too small to fight at 147 is in his fight with Luis Collazo. They say, well Ricky Hatton is known to be an A level fighter, so why did he struggle with Collazo? Shane Mosley, another A level fighter beat Collazo easily! Well the answer is that Ricky Hatton simply is not as good of a fighter as people give him credit for. He has one good victory, which he got under VERY dubious circumstances.

    After this he fights Maussa, who is nothing impressive.

    He fights Collazo and almost gets beaten, getting hurt multiple times in the fight including almost getting knocked down towards the end. Collazo is a light puncher - he has only 13 KO's in 30 fights!!

    After Collazo he fights Juan Urango and tries to box his way to a win. Hatton does not know how to box and gets roughed up but wins, even though Urango is barely a B level fighter.

    Jose Luis Castillo was next. Castillo looks shot. His legs are gone, he looks sluggish, his work rate is lower than it used to be.. His last fight he went 12 rounds and almost got beaten by Herman N'Goudjo who is not a very good fighter at all. Aside from Castillo being shot, his body is undoubtedly in bad shape. He has repeatedly not been able to make weight for big fights in the last few years. He is likely weak from having to cut lots of weight for his fights. And the last proof that he is not what he used to be... he goes down on a body shot. We all know that the right body shot can drop anyone. But Castillo has fought many people that spent 12 rounds pounding away at his body. He is a tough Mexican warrior. If he can't recover from a body shot, he is not the fighter he used to be.

    Then Ricky fights his first top level fighter in a while (and even Kostya Tsyu when they fought was FAR FROM HIS BEST). Floyd beats him easily. By the end of the fight he COMPLETELY has his way with. Hatton is hyped to be this tough, strong, rough mother****er. He criticizes Floyd for being weak, not being tough, not being able to punch. Floyd hurts Hatton throughout the fight. He roughs him up, proves hes stronger, tougher - everything.
     
  3. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    When you can no longer dehydrate yourself even all that close to 135, 140 is your weight.

    It wasn't the name that was impressive in the Castillo fight, it was the style, Castillo had been in brutal wars but had never gotten hit so hard that he broke 4 of his ribs. Let me guess, his ribs were past their prime?
     
  4. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why wouldn't they be when the rest of him was?
     
  5. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Dear god, you actually think his bones were significantly weaker?
     
  6. maciek4

    maciek4 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Can you imagine Hatton Tommy Hearns at 147?
     
  7. sambob

    sambob Active Member Full Member

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    Could you please link me to a story here Castillo's people say that he broke 4 ribs? I googled it and all I could find was HATTON'S people claiming that he broke 4 ribs.

    And if 4 ribs really were broken, its not because Hatton is amazing, its just a fluke. Hitting Castillo JUST right so it broke 4 ribs. Hatton couldn't have planned it, and he would never do it again.
     
  8. lenin

    lenin what the **** you say? Full Member

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    what about 154 not being mayweathers weight
     
  9. RealIzm

    RealIzm Boxing Junkie banned

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    It's also common knowledge that outside of the UK Hatton is known as a dirty wrestler....no matter if he's "fighting" at 140 or 147.......a ****ing chore to watch:-( I'd almost rather watch Gayweather run from Baldomir for 12 rounds
     
  10. Relentless

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    ofcourse, he has been taking blows to his ribs since he was 15 from guys like julio cezar chavez (you probably haven't heard of him but its ok:good)
     
  11. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Little refresher course on the dangers of making an unnatural weight for long periods of time.

    http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:thN99pjsir4J:eatingdisorders.about.com/od/riskfactors/a/jockeyweight.htm+%22making+weight%22+bone+health&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us

    JLC looked emaciated in his last fights at 135, and hasn't been able to make 140 consistently either. It wouldn't shock me in the least if his bones are considerably weaker than they were five or ten years ago. But come on, even if they weren't (neither of us is his physician), his ability to take a punch had to be diminished by his general condition. That's just basic common sense.

    Don't give me "but Hatton had to make weight also". Being five years younger can be an eternity in boxing terms. In this case it was. No way he blasts out the Castillo who fought Johnston and Mayweather in four rounds.
     
  12. Relentless

    Relentless VIP Member banned

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    fact: castillo was able to take a shot better 5 years ago than he is now.
     
  13. jc

    jc Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Castillo wasnt a lightweight when Ricky fought him. In fact he hadnt been a real lightweight for a while!