People talk about Alexander being better than Bradley, but against Witter...

rayhogan · May 17, 2010

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Bradley completely outboxed Witter and was barely tagged. Not to mention the fact that Witter hadn't been beat since Zab Judah several years ago, and was considered the top guy aside from Hatton at 140.

In fact, many favored him over Hatton.

Witter could not figure out Bradley at all and the fact that he got a split decision was ridiculous, and if it wasn't for the viscious knock down, and it was viscious, Bradley would have been robbed.

On the other hand, Alexander made Witter quit, who claimed his elbow hurt, yet looked very hittable and was in a more competitive fight from a boxing perspective.

So, why are people favoring Alexander over Bradley when he's not as slick, not as versatile as he's basically a mid range fighter, and seems to only have size and power over Bradley who is a more complete fighter.

Not to mention the fact that Bradley has proved it against fighters like Cherry, Witter who he looked better against, Holt, Campbell, and Peterson.

To be honest, I think Peterson would have a very good chance to beat Alexander, as he looks like he has a warrior mentality in the sense that while Bradley was dominanting on the cards, every round was very close, and he fought hard until the final bell, showing amazing athleticism and versatility.

^^^ You say that Alexander fight left overs. So if Alexander fought and beat Peterson, you'll still say he's fighting left overs so what's the ****ing point?

In fact, Alexander who is a mid range fighter would have big problems getting inside on Peterson, which is something Alexander has not shown that he can do, while Bradley has shown the ability to fight both on the outside and inside.

So, again, why is Alexander rated higher than Bradley at this point?

Instead of fighting Kotelneck or whatever his name is, Alexander should fight Peterson if he wants to make a name for himself in the division.

But he wont because he will lose this fight.
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Antwuan Maxx · May 17, 2010

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Let's be reasonable in this assessment.

Peterson is much more athletic than Kotelnik. He has faster hands, far better agility, and more range.

Not to mention that he's more versatile. He would probably win every round against Kotelnik.

Nobody even thinks this fight is going to be competitive, but against Peterson, many people would think that Peterson has a legitimate chance to win.

They may not favor Peterson, but they wouldn't be shocked if he won.

Kotelnik, does anyone actually think this guy has a chance at all?
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Peterson may have quicker hands than Kotelnik, but his agility is nothing to speak of. He looked fairly cumbersome and plodding against Bradley. He's not very versatile, if anything he's pretty one-dimensional, and completely gives way to his punches with the sound effects he makes. Considering Bradley, a moderate puncher, hurt this guy practically every time he landed cleanly in the first few rounds of their fight, I think Alexander would have a good chance of getting him out of there.

It's easy to say things like "Peterson probably would win every round against Kotelink" when the chances of that fight materializing are slim to none. So we'll likely never know that. But what we do know, is Kotelink has been competitve at a level that Peterson has yet to prove he can compete at.

rayhogan · May 17, 2010

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You don't know **** about boxing.

Alexander was taking punches way more than Bradley was.

Bradley was winning every round in my opinion too. The fact that the scorecards were even close shows a hometown bias.

Bradley fought an incredibly smart fight and Witter could barely land on him.

Bradley attacked Witter to the body early with jabs and hooks, and found a spot for his right hand later on in the fight.

Witter was confused and looked off balance.

I doubt you even saw either of the fights. You're just a typical dick rider who doesn't know **** about boxing.

Alexander is more hittable than Bradley. Obviously you didn't watch the fight at all because you woudln't have seen the scorecards were bull****.

Stop commetning on my threads.
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Dude most people here beside me even said Bradley vs Witter was competitive until like the late rounds when Bradley took over. Devon was nailing shots after shots on Witter. Devon even stunned Witter on more then 3 occasion. Face it Devon beat Witter far better then Bradley did cause not only Devon dominate Witter but he made Witter quit something Bradley couldn't do. Don't give me the elbow injury bs excuse. And Devon became the first man to stop great chin Urango. <<<Something Berto and Hatton couldn't even do.

HENDO · May 17, 2010

Antwuan Maxx said: ↑

Peterson may have quicker hands than Kotelnik, but his agility is nothing to speak of. He looked fairly cumbersome and plodding against Bradley. He's not very versatile, if anything he's pretty one-dimensional, and completely gives way to his punches with the sound effects he makes. Considering Bradley, a moderate puncher, hurt this guy practically every time he landed cleanly in the first few rounds of their fight, I think Alexander would have a good chance of getting him out of there.

It's easy to say things like "Peterson would shut out Kotelink" when we both know that fight will never materialize. So we'll never know that. But what we do know, is Kotelink has been competitve at a level that Peterson has yet to prove he can compete at.
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How can you question Peterson's versatility when at times he even managed to get lower than Bradley.

While he did look confused against Bradley, I think that is due to Bradley's experience and versatility.

Kotelink blocks punches with his gloves, but rarely moves his head, and he looks to be on the decline. Peterson is faster in everything he does, younger, and has a much higher upside.

In fact after his loss against Bradley, I think he's being underrated. He looked very game in that fight despite losing relatively wide.

Pax · May 17, 2010

I totally agree. Bradley is def top dog at 140 in my opinion. Alexander is a great fighter but too much stock was put in the urango KO.

HENDO · May 17, 2010

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Dude most people here beside me even said Bradley vs Witter was competitive until like the late rounds when Bradley took over. Devon was nailing shots after shots on Witter. Devon even stunned Witter on more then 3 occasion. Face it Devon beat Witter far better then Bradley did cause not only Devon dominate Witter but he made Witter quit something Bradley couldn't do. Don't give me the elbow injury bs excuse. And Devon became the first man to stop great chin Urango. <<<Something Berto and Hatton couldn't even do.
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I don't care what people that never saw the fight say about the Witter Bradley fight.

What does their opinion matter? They see that Alexander stopped Bradley and already made a conclusion.

But if they actually watched both fights, they would see that Bradley fought much more cautiously, didn't take any punishment at all, but managed to completely outbox Witter.

Alexander might have won more dominantly, but he took almost as many punches as he threw.

And the fact that he knocked out Urango, doesn't mean ****. Who is Urango? Hatton didn't just beat Urango, he OUTBOXED him.

Hatton OUTBOXED him.

What does that say about Urango?

HENDO · May 17, 2010

Also, people talk about Alexander's age, but what about Bradley?

At 26 his resume is stacked.

rayhogan · May 17, 2010

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I don't care what people that never saw the fight say about the Witter Bradley fight.

What does their opinion matter? They see that Alexander stopped Bradley and already made a conclusion.

But if they actually watched both fights, they would see that Bradley fought much more cautiously, didn't take any punishment at all, but managed to completely outbox Witter.

Alexander might have won more dominantly, but he took almost as many punches as he threw.

And the fact that he knocked out Urango, doesn't mean ****. Who is Urango? Hatton didn't just beat Urango, he OUTBOXED him.

Hatton OUTBOXED him.

What does that say about Urango?
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Hatton wrestle Urango in a boring fight while Devon barely even hold in the Urango fight. Devon didn't fought scared the way Hatton and Berto did. So in that arguement you just made about that is freaking weak.

HENDO · May 17, 2010

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Hatton wrestle Urango in a boring fight while Devon barely even hold in the Urango fight. Devon didn't fought scared the way Hatton and Berto did. So in that arguement you just made about that is freaking weak.
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Hatton holds in every fight, that's nothing new.

But when they weren't clinching, Hatton was easily outboxing this guy.

And who does Hatton outbox?

And yes, Berto held, but he still won every round by a wide margin, and seemed to be less concerned about knocking his opponent out than winning the fight and trying out his "new" style.

Out of all these fighter, Devon was hit the most against Urango.

rayhogan · May 17, 2010

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I don't care what people that never saw the fight say about the Witter Bradley fight.

What does their opinion matter? They see that Alexander stopped Bradley and already made a conclusion.

But if they actually watched both fights, they would see that Bradley fought much more cautiously, didn't take any punishment at all, but managed to completely outbox Witter.

^^^So you saying that most here don't have showtime? Please go watch another sports.

Alexander might have won more dominantly, but he took almost as many punches as he threw.

And the fact that he knocked out Urango, doesn't mean ****. Who is Urango? Hatton didn't just beat Urango, he OUTBOXED him.

Hatton OUTBOXED him.

What does that say about Urango?
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rayhogan · May 17, 2010

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Hatton holds in every fight, that's nothing new.

But when they weren't clinching, Hatton was easily outboxing this guy.

And who does Hatton outbox?

And yes, Berto held, but he still won every round by a wide margin, and seemed to be less concerned about knocking his opponent out than winning the fight and trying out his "new" style.

Out of all these fighter, Devon was hit the most against Urango.
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Hatton hold way too much in the Urango fight. Berto fought scared with his holding and running while Alexander didn't.

rayhogan · May 17, 2010

HENDO said: ↑

Hatton holds in every fight, that's nothing new.

But when they weren't clinching, Hatton was easily outboxing this guy.

And who does Hatton outbox?

And yes, Berto held, but he still won every round by a wide margin, and seemed to be less concerned about knocking his opponent out than winning the fight and trying out his "new" style.

^^He won every round in a very boring way. Urango was coming up in weight for the first time but Berto fought scared vs a junior welterweight??? Lol.
Out of all these fighter, Devon was hit the most against Urango.
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rayhogan · May 17, 2010

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Hatton holds in every fight, that's nothing new.

But when they weren't clinching, Hatton was easily outboxing this guy.

And who does Hatton outbox?

And yes, Berto held, but he still won every round by a wide margin, and seemed to be less concerned about knocking his opponent out than winning the fight and trying out his "new" style.

Out of all these fighter, Devon was hit the most against Urango.
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If Devon was holding way too much like Berto and Hatton, he would have won every rounds and wouldn't have been tagged.

RAW · May 17, 2010

I agree people are pumped off alexander's ko of urango. Bradley looks like a better boxer but i'm not sure if he wants to fight alexander just yet. If the fight does get made alexander better watch out for the head butts, they will be coming. SHOULD BE A GOOD FIGHT THOUGH IF IT GETS MADE.

StreetsOfGold · May 17, 2010

I love how witter is brought up as some yardstick yet when witter was around before nobody thought of him as anything even remotely special.
He is and was a stay at home overrated domestic level boxer that fought a few names at the end of his protected career.

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