People who beat a prime Mike Tyson.

If Ali and Foreman had a son, his name would be Riddick Bowe

 

if goerge foreman did laila ali?? woah age difference.


basically though I'd say the best jab and/or outside game plus the best chin plus good evasive skills. Larry holmes, Ali, perhaps Johnson, Jeffries and Liston would be the best hopes, though that doesn't mean others don't have a chance. Holyfield perhaps, though he is no jab king for sure and likes to mix inside, might be his downfall against prime Tyson. Tunney? Lennox? perhaps, but they both have question marks that might disclude them.


Concerning those who come head on - Marciano? not sure..surely hes getting tkoed before Tyson is. Certainly he could win one out of three. Dempsey similarly.

worst chances would be missing one of these key components - the glass chinners would have next to no chance eg. Wlad.

 

Absolutely.

Bowe was a far superior inside fighter. Tyson was dangerous on the way in ( mid range ) Bowe totally bullies Tyson on the inside and KO's him slightly sooner than Douglas did from range.

 

Do you on purposely make stuff up, or are you just misinformed?

 

I totally agree 100%.

Bowe and Douglas have hardly anything in common stylewise.

Bowe did not use his height at all, Douglas did, he used every inch of his reach advtanage to keep Tyson away. Bowe would gladly throw away that advantage and try to mix it up with Tyson with some sort of bravado.

Points to consider.

Douglas fought a picture perfect, disciplined fight against Tyson. Bowe NEVER, not once in his career ever put on a disciplined performance ever. I excuse him for the Holyfield fights, because Holy is a tough night for anyone.
But what about his other opposition? Bowe wont 'do a Douglas' because Bowe never 'did a Douglas' at anytime in his career.

What is Bowe known for? his amazing skills? no, hes known for his wars with Holyfield and Golota.

And anyway, Bowe wouldnt be fighting the Tyson who fought Douglas, hed be fighting the guy who steamrolled Berbick, Biggs, Thomas, Tubbs and Holmes.

Tyson, due to his lack of height, had to work a way to close the distance, get under the jab and then launch his attacks, that wouldnt be necessary because Bowe would do half of Tysons work for him by coming forward looking to trade.

Bowe had a good overhand right, so did Tyson. Infact Tysons overhand right broke Golotas facial bones (which caused him to quit) and sent Holyfield flying (first round, first fight).

Bowe had a great uppercut, so did Tyson. Both hit Holyfield with some good uppercuts, and Tyson did drop Douglas with one.

Bowe had a great jab, Tyson had great head movement.

I know people will bring up the Holyfield fights. The points i want to make is, think about this. Compare Holyfields performance against both men, why is it that Holyfield stood toe to toe with Bowe and traded with him, yet against Tyson, he adopted a much more patient approach, adopted to outbox and counter punch Tyson?

Answer. Because Holyfield wasnt stupid, he was more weary of Tysons power than he was of Bowes.

And Bowe was in the peak of his career when he beat Holyfield, whereas Tyson had first won his first title belt a whole 10 years prior to facing Holyfield.

Durability, i do believe Bowe is very durable. But so was Frazier, until he met Foreman. Going to war with a Holyfield is one thing, trading punches with Tyson is another. Look at Frazier, he looked amazing going toe to to with Ali, but when he tried the same **** against Foreman, he didnt know which way to run.

I honestly think Bowe would be for a rude awakening against Tyson. I do feel there are question marks about Bowes chin. Yes he was never stopped, but nor was Frazier, until he met Foreman.

Bowe, fought in a renowned era of punchers, just like Frazier did, Bowe faced none. Just like Frazier did (well until Foreman). Frazier was dropped by some of the lesser punchers her fought. So was Bowe. Bowe fought 4 decent punchers Holyfield, Golota, Cooper and Hide. Holyfield and Golota had him down, Cooper was rocking him in the first round and Hide had him out on his feet (Bowe admitted this himself). Tommy Morrison apparently knocked Bowe out in sparring (dont know how true that is).

And is it a coincidence, that despite fighting decades apart, Bowe and Frazier had one more thing in common......Eddie Futch.

And keep in mind, (this is a seperate thread on its own). Tyson stopped some guys who'd never been stopped before. He also stopped some guys quicker than Bowe, Holyfield, Lewis and Foreman did.

Bowe, with the way he fights, with his bravado, his chin would constantly be in the dangerzone against Tyson.

Look at the guys who Tyson ko'ed Berbick, Bruno, Tubbs etc all guys who stood in front of him. Now look at the guys who 'survived' Tyson, Tucker, Holyfield, Lewis, Douglas etc. None of them stood in front of Tyson.

Douglas made the mistake for one second of letting Tyson find an opening and he was on his ass.

Holyfield, outboxed, outmuscled Tyson, but the one time he got careless was in round 5 where he stood close to Tyson and Tyson unleashed a combination of body punches and uppercuts.

Lewis, fought aggressively in the first round and Tyson hit him with a jab, left hook which had Lewis stumlbing backwards.

Bowe, was never as smart as Lewis, Holyfield or Douglas (for that one night).

If Bowe was shot against Golota, what was Tyson when he broke Golotas bones ande made him quit?

Between them, Bowe/Tyson fought Biggs, Tubbs, Seldon, Mathis, Golota and Holyfield. Aside from Holyfield, Tyson knocked each of those guys out quicker and in more devastating fashion.

I feel Prime Tyson would stop Bowe or knock him out.
Post Rooney pre prison Tyson would UD him.
Post prison there would be question marks due to Tysons stamina and desire.

Any accusations and critisicms in terms of career/accomplishments that are levelled at Tyson, also apply to Bowe.

 

:good

Excellently broken down.

 

thanks IB, i felt i had to get that off chest . Whenever you read Tyson vs Bowe, Douglas name is always bought up yet Bowe and Douglas Fought nothing alike

 

I think you need to go watch the fight again if you think Douglas fought to survive, he thoroughly dominated Tyson from the get go.

 

A more productive question, would be what sort of fighters could beat him, and why?

 

Ali in his book said some interesting comments, the one by Thomas Hauser.

he ranked himself first and Johnson as second GOAT, he said about Tyson, his hands are fast, but mine were always faster and his feet are slow. To beat him you need a good 1-2 and if he hits you, you need to be able to take a punch

 

Absolutely. He dominated Tyson from start to finish from the outside. Bowe would dominate Tyson on the inside with his superior strength, and ability to fight there.

Holyfield constantly took away Tyson's strength which was his mid range effectiveness. Time and again he drew the big right hand from Tyson, slipped or ducked beneath it and nailed him with left hand counters to get close, and do the same as Bowe would, beat him on the inside. It was ALWAYS Tyson that was looking to back off in those exchanges, never Holyfield.

 

sigh... replying repeatedly to someone who has put you on ignore...

define stupidity.

 

A bit extreme.

 

Tyson was extreme