People who mock Calzaghe's power are indirectly complimenting him

Dont know why you bothered mate. What on earth steroid accusations have to do with anything i dont know. Plus whilst Hopkins and RJJ were unifying and mapping out there paths as ATG`s Joe was busy defending his title against Mario Veit and the Tocker Pudwills of this world.

 

yeah he does!

 

Of course fighting a 30-0 mandatory and a late replacement for Thomas Tate - a very respectable opponent - really makes a boxer **** doesn't it?

 

McClellan would start favourite vs any version of Benn. And he would lose 3 or 4 out of 10. It wasn't just the injury that ****ed him, Benn had taken his best and got right back in it.

If you don't know how steriods improve a boxer then you know little about sports science. They improve strength, shorten recovery, increase aggressiveness... basically everything that our natural steriods, like testosterone, do. Put simply they allow an athlete to train harder for longer and need lest rest. If tetstosterone does not improve a boxer then why exactly are men better at boxing than women? No they won't turn a guy like me into a world champ, but they will turn a contender to a champ or a champ to tougher one.

 

Of a 20 strong list of what makes a good boxer, steroids would improve about two things. It's a slight advantage, nothing particularly tangible in my opinion. Athletes are born not made. Certainly not enough to discredit a boxer's career. MCClellan is the better athlete, i'm a Benn fan but take away the injury Benn loses 95% of the time.

 

The late replacement for Tate was Tocker Pudwill...

And that 30-0 mandatory was Joes mandatory again when they fought for a 2nd time in what was a complete and utter waste of time. Veit was your typical WBO mandatory who had done very little to earn his ranking in the first place. He should have stuck to cooking.:yep

You might want to watch the fights first though instead of browsing Boxrec..

Now iv never said Joes a **** boxer. Im simply far more reaslitc about Joes achievements than most of the joyboys on this forum like yourself.

 

Feeble argument. Steroids dont give you skills. It made zero diffrence to Vargas when he got KO`ed by DLH. Yes steroids are peformance enhancing but they have absolutely squat to do with the topic at hand.

 

Strength
Speed
Endurance
Power
Agrresiveness

There's five attributes they improve straight off. Other than technique what don't they improve would be a trickier argument.

If athletes are born not made why don't they give the medals back to Ben Johnson and Marion Jones etc? I'm sure the steroids didn't help em enough to discredit their career did they....

 

Aggresiveness and recovery when training. Thats your list. Athletics is completely different. Punching power and explosive speed can not be improved by steroids. I think your forgetting the fact that both of those athletes were naturally very powerful to begin with. There is a big difference between throwing a punch and doing a bench press.

 

Ha ha lovin it man. To be fair though throwing bad punches doesnt meen that he can't through proper punches.

 

You disparged his career by suggesting he was he was somehow ducking good fights to fight Veit and Pudwill. I point out that Pudwill was a very late replacement for a good fighter and Veit was a mandatory so why repeat what i said as if I was wrong? Every champion that holds a strap for a long time has such fights on their record. No biggy. Yes Joes record would look better if you swapped Pudwill for tate, had Johnson in there and Hopkins hadn't ducked him years ago.

I might want to watch the fights eh? I'm willing to bet I've seen more of his fights than you have.

 

Tell me, what was Ben Johnson running the 100m without the roids and what with? Of course his explosive speed did not improve at all. :rofl

 

You clearly don't know both the diffrence in movement and the difference between leg muscles and arm muscles. Once again added to the fact that Ben was hugely explosive to begin with. Joe or winky could take all the gear in the world, their punching powers stays the same conversly if Tyson was dosing he may well see an improvement but it's built on a natural foundation.

 

Ahh because leg and arm muscles are magically different.

Johnson was an also ran without roids, a world beater on em. But that was because its leg muscles right?

Stop digging the hole you are in mate, its deep enough.

What boxer would not benefit from being able to train more intensly more often?

 

I have trained with guys on and off gear for the majority of my life be it in mma, boxing or general gym work i know the pro's and con's of gear and the end game is always the same, you can only build on whats there. All things being equal it will give you a huge edge in some sports but in fighting it is marginalised. If you think that taking some gear gives you great gains in power and speed fine, i know otherwise. Johnson was always an exceptional athlete by the way. All the guys he was racing against also subsequently tested positive anyway.

Bottom line is you know **** all about power, speed or training. I would happily give you a lesson anytime.