People who question mayweathers ability to dig deep...

But Margarito and Cintron are big welters by any standard, and Williams is a freak of nature.

I agree 140lbs is probably the best for him, but 147lbs is the next acceptable class.

 

mayweather would never put his self in those type of postions, fir him to prove his toughness like a gatti,morales or barrera he will have to fight a fighter who can challenge him like that.

so thats not his fault at all you dont see that side of him, find a fighter that can challenge him like that.if you cant then oh well, if you can the so be it.

 

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I think what people are meaning when they bring this up is that Floyd hasnt been matched with skills, or been dead tired and ready to fall over, and had to just had to gut it out.

But again, thats because his skills are top notch and his conditioning is too, so he cant be criticized.

When I say I want to see him in this situation, its not an indirect criticism of him, its just that I want to see him in an all time fight. Cotto or Hatton may do it with their preasure, or Williams may do it with his size... who knows. :think

 

Floyd has dug deep and suffered. every day. He suffers every day in the gym- nobody trains like floyd- period. They say the more you sweat- the less you bleed. Well the less you bleed- the more you sweat- . floyd never bled- so imagine how much he mustve sweat to become that good. When have u or anyone ever seen him fat- out of shape- tired- lazy- partying drunk. He s always disciplined - like a monk. He may portray the partyboy ghetto image- but in real life the man only trains and sleeps- thats it. He s a machine- think hopkins was fit? floyds the same- maybe even more. hes crazy obsessive. Hes never let anything to chance in any small way- That in itself shows how tough he is.

Think getting to the top is hard-? staying on top= staying hungry- like a jordan a tiger woods- takes unbelievable motivational skills and hard work and toughness. You and I sit here - criticize his ****in toughness- when we - constantly put off that run, eat that extra spoon of ice cream, sleep in that 10 minutes- every day. Floyd never cuts those corners. Thats why he s an international millionaire hall of fame boxer, and we re not- and why some of you ***** and call him soft? get ****ed. You ll never be as good at anything as floyd is at boxing- and you know why???

cos you re not tough enough *****.

 

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Mayweather will be fighting with a bad left hand next Saturday. I think we'll see what kind of heart he has real soon.

 

I can safely surmise my view completely based on the two following points:
- The parameters of the job laying ahead of the two fighters and on some meaningful aspects in similar confrontations according to hatton' suggestions - Duran vs Leonard, Honeygham vs Curry.
- The filtering or better, the unveiling of the mind sets in what is directly related with possible ring behaviour in those early rounds.
Immediately, tackling the second point, the striking example of the incongruity of the notion that the fight will unfold in an opposite way from the one I am envisaging from the onset is based on the two players' expectations:
On Sky Sports interviews, Mayweather expects Hatton to - come and come, miss, get tired as he misses, gets winded up and breaks - so he basically and mainly relies on his counterpart to punch himself out; Hatton expects to apply enormous pressure and break down his opponent with this attitude and refers to the Hoya and Castillo fights as the examples to follow on. Then, there is the clannish security and the restlessness of spirit that plagues each of the fighters' minds. Last but not the least, Mayweather has shown most recently, and I dare to say, throughout most of his career, to be defensive minded - Mayweather supporters, please, will you understand that the aggressive attitude that he used in the first four, five rounds and from the seventh to the end stretch with DeMarcus Corley, throughout the bouts with Henry Bruseles, Sharmba Mitchell and second part of the Zab Judah fight doesn't make him an offensive fighter? His natural stance is to fight behind his left shoulder and scoring with accurate left jabs and effective right hand counters in repetition ( those can also be seen as arm punches since he doesn't put his full weight into the shots - his defensive mind sets him back to the usual counter-punch stance). Whereas, and pardon me Hatton supporters now, Ricky cannot possibly fight backwards and therefore can reasonably be taken as one dimensional and bullish? In that fraction of the second, Ricky Hatton aggressive mind set traslated to the fight move makes him jump on top of Mayweather and Mayweather defensive mind set translated to his behaviour faced with Hatton's onslaught doesn't make him want to anticipate but to go right into that defensive shell of his (?)...

Going back to the first point and finally tryin to to draw the fight scenario, Hatton has his mind's eye on Honeygham-Curry and Duran-Leonard fight patterns so it is fair to say that he's in there fancying his own chances to impose his physicallity on Mayweather ( make him quit on his stool) and no alternative game plan. So, as soon as the bell goes, Hatton is already assaulting Mayweather, feeding off the frenzied atmosphere in the Garden ( like it's the MAN Arena in his hometown), hitting him exactly as he's hitting Billy Graham's punchbag in training - double blows with the left ( one on top of Floyd's high right guard and another to the lower part) and finishing with a right hook to the body and shoving Mayweather from the center to the periphery of the ring... Mayweather, while strong in terms of technique, can't drive Hatton off the way all the time and therefore, sustain the immense pressure to be pushed into that position. What happens in close quarters and along the ropes? A lot of hits in Mayweather's body and short counter uppercuts on Hatton's face, plenty of grappling and roughness from either side and more than average intervention from Joe Cortez. If Oscar drove Floyd back into/near the ropes 50 seconds into the first round, I don't feel any odd tremor of uncertainty to say that sooner or later they'll be there and stay there until one of them breaks or the final bell sounds...

 

Yeah Chavez fights a bit like Hatton but is more like a midget Hatton with slower feet. The fight will still probably look like that anyway.

 

I want to finish once and for all with the talk about who's holding who and where - 1:10 seconds into the second round of the Zab Judah fight, Mayweather threw one of the shots Jim Lampley called a direction finder and he hit the body of Judah, took a shot on the temple and touched the canvas with the glove... Anybody can check on the telecast that in the third slow motion replay shown from the top at the end of the second round that their feet and legs don't get tangled... That only happened once in the last 30 seconds of the first round when Zab threw a left, they got tangled and as they turned, Floyd almost fell cause he stumbled on Zab's right leg ( but managed to hold on to Zab with one arm).

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Second point - if Mayweather is not defensive minded and wrongly said to cruise too much, I don't know why would Joel Judah say to Zab at the end of the third " Listen son, all I see you doin is standin in there and fight ( cause zab was holding back his punches in fact)... You gat to let your hands go... He can't hurt ya ...Boom, boom, boom, 1,2,3,4, boom , boom...The more you hit him, the more he's gonna RUN... Don't let him come over the top ( showing how Mayweather left hooks over Zab's right shoulder) and ( with a right down the middle) and stealing shots, Okay?" - Then Roger says "Keep pressin... He can't fight going backwards anyway..." Then and after they said that in the corners, 30 seconds into the fourth, Zab catches Floyd with a left counter and lets his hands go, driving him into the ropes as the crowd starts shouting "Judah, Judah" and even Usher gets on his feet right behind Floyd in that position. Lennox would suggest later in that same 4th round (1:37s left on the clock) that he only throws that straight right and falls in the distance with that punch, nothing happens from there - Jim Lampley would even say that he initiates the clinch unexpectedly like John Ruiz does and Larry would somehow excuse Floyd mentioning the left-handedness puzzle of his opponent. I say that this perfectly reflects that Joel n Roger advised well both Zab n Floyd. Floyd is not that aggressive even when he stays in the zone and punches right in the pocket. Joel after the fourth round " Will you trust me? Let your hands go... You gat to throw that power.. and he'll back up, he's gonna run... Throw in sequences, double your punches up..." while Big L to Floyd " Punch him to the body, get those body punches in" - and Roger says " and keep walking INTO HIM, keep PRESSIN and he will not be able to fight!".

 

One of the best posts in recent memory.:good:deal

 

How do you know this?

 

What does this have to do with anything? Hatton fights nothing like Zab and would never catch PBF coming in like Zab did, he's not a southpaw, he's not a counter-puncher and he doesn't have the reflexes or handspeed to do so.:deal