Performances that don't get their due because they were too dominant?

If you read this board you should see Luiz Ortiz is regularly reffered to as a 50 year old heart patient ect. There is also a history of Cuban atheletes saying they are younger than they are. Evidence is readily available if you want proof.

Your telling me that a general consensus of all time status and the at the time pound for pound rankings mean nothing? Sorry, I just don't agree. Should we just blindly use the sanctioning bodies rankings? Boxrec points?

Your last point basically spells out my argument. Your overlooking a great performance as " a corrupt catchweight victory". I don't have time to explain any further why it was a great performance, I can't fix your eyes. And your statement asking what Loma has to do with it is just simply you being obtuse. You know exactly what my point is and why I used Loma as an example. If you cant admit there are real parallels in the two fights, and that there are double standards being applied to them then there is no need to discuss

 

I'm gonna go way back and say Sugar Ray Robinson's KO1 of George "Sugar" Costner. George had some of the ingredients that SRR had. 6.0ft tall, rangy, quick and powerful Welterweight who had racked up an impressive record. I think he beat Kid Gavilan at least once. If Robinson hadn't of fought him he would be one of the Black Murders Row probably that Ray was accused or avoiding.
Some boxing writers thought highly enough of him to give him the moniker 'Sugar'.
That was a mistake.

Before the opening bell Sugar Ray told Costner to touch gloves because "this is gonna be the only round".

 

Norton vs Bobick.

 

You need to learn the difference between proof and speculation.

That's not what I said - so, you're disagreeing with your own made up argument, there.

Again, it seems you've missed the point.

Seriously - you've more or less asked me to rely on the speculation of Internet Forum members to determine, as fact, a Boxer's age. I doubt that, even if you had the time, any explanation you gave me would be credible, right now.

The problem I have with you bringing Loma/Rigo into this is that you seem to be justifying your opinion on the Mayweather/Marquez bout, because of other people's opinions on a different bout. Even if they were directly comparable (which they're not), two 'wrongs' do not make a 'right'.


The catchweight bout was corrupted, when Mayweather failed to make the weight.

If you think a genuine Welterweight (who disregarded the contracted weight limit) beating a blown-up Featherweight deserves to be described as a great performance then there's little else I can suggest.

Next, you'll be trying to convince me that RJJ's victory over Vinny Pazienza was Jones' magnum opus.

 

Fully agree with this. Floyd made JMM less than a sparring partner in their fight. The fight is the definition of one fighter controlling another.

 

Agreed. Floyd owned that ring from start to finish and showed he could control whatever Canelo could try to do throughtout the entire fight. It's even more telling that to this day that not only Floyd the only man to beat (despite Floyd starting to show his age at that point) but he straight up dominated Canelo.

 

Really shows the difference between them don't it?

 

I'm not a betting man.

Yes, Oscar was the clear favourite going into the fight even though he'd looked poor against Forbes.

When the fight was signed and he began his camp with Nacho, people thought the difference in size would be too much. Because although there was a huge size difference between Manny and Marg, Oscar was far better than Marg technically.

What I'm saying is, at the end of his camp, Oscar was visually ill. His body had not responded properly. He didn't rehydrate like he normally did, in the way that guys like Floyd Snr and Roach were expecting him too. He looked terribly gaunt at the weigh-in.

Roach trained Manny for the fight and he was interviewed afterwards. Roach said that Oscar looked drawn, he'd only rehydrated by 2 pounds, and he saw IV marks on his arm.

Now you've either forgotten the above or you weren't aware of it.

Maybe Manny would have beaten the version of Oscar who Floyd fought. I don't know. But I can't give him credit for beating the version of Oscar who he himself fought.

 

None of the above applies to me.

 

Another one that comes to mind is a bout I watched yesterday====Tszyu against MA Gonzalez.

Now Tszyu is hardly a favorite on this board. And lots of folks sure like Gonzalez to have his way with him. Even though he looked pretty good in that Chavez bout, you wouldn't call him an opportunist. But he could sure hang tough. But he never came close to winning a round against Kostya.

 

But that shows you how good Floyd still was at that point with his counterpunching and Canelo could never have fought for 12 rounds like Maidana and Oscar did, you need the stamina for a high punch output and speed for that kind of strategy, qualities Canelo has never possessed.