Pernell Whitaker appreciation thread

He was not convincing at all against Haugen. The point deduction was bull****, but beating Haugen by a single point is not something that should happen in the first place.

I think they would. I think Nelson's pressure would get to Camacho. And Pendleton was an excellent fighter on his day, beat Mayweather, gave Randall all he could handle (no real different to Rosario-Randall really), beat Bramble etc. With his right hand, I can see Rosario-Camacho all over again. Did you see Pendleton's fight with Whitaker? That was probably Whitaker's most competitive fight at lightweight.

Maybe. Nelson's chin was pretty good though, as was his punch. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he actually Ko'ed Rosario late.

If Pendleton lands that bomb you better believe he can take out Rosario.

You see, that's the difference between Whitaker and Camacho. When Whitaker got hit, he fired back. Look at the Roger Mayweather fight. Mayweather nails him, and even hits him when he is down. Next round Whitaker is in his face, throwing it right back onto him. He didn't spend the rest of the fight running away like Camacho would have. Look again at the Felix Trinidad fight. A drug-rehabbed Whitaker gets his jaw broken, but he still stays in there and tries to bomb with Tito. What did Camacho do? You guessed it, ran and hugged the whole fight against Tito.

Yeah I have, and yeah there is a difference.

But anyway, the reason Hector moved up to 140 was?

 

As early as the Camacho-Ramirez fight Camacho was calling Whitaker out.

In 87 Camacho had been sparring with Mayweather leading up to the Whitaker fight and Mayweather was outboxing him right?

What do you think Camacho felt when he saw Whitaker beat the **** out of Mayweather?

You figure it out. :good

 

Nelson still had many years and some of his biggest wins ahead of him post-Whitaker. How the hell was he done?

And as SS has already said, it's not as if he was out of his water facing a much bigger opponent when he stepped up. He was still about the same size, likely the stronger fighter, and was consistently the aggressor. Pea was just far too skilled.

 

One of my all time favourite fighters, and definitely has to be in the top 5 pound for pound of the last 20 years. Nobody ever really beat him convincingly until he was past his best.

 

Have you not read any of the prior posts? I took back the "done" part and pretty much posted what you just did know with the "to much skills". SS said it and I said it so please read the prior post before you rebutt something that was taken back and explained.

 

Again, sparring is one thing and the actual fight is another. Maybe Camacho was having weight problems. I don't know the answer to him going to 140, but it seems to me that it is a cheap shot by indicating that he ducked said fighters. I don't believe it due to Camacho fighting some of the best fighters out there. It could have been promoters and management getting in the way.

This is the PW appreciation thread and we are going back and forth with Camacho. It would have been a great fight if it would had happen preRosario. Actually, I don't remember where exactly Pea was ranked or if he was champ when Camacho was the champ. If they were to fight, where were they that could have come close for them to fight? Would have the fight been before or after the Rosario fight?

 

He was not convincing at all against Haugen. The point deduction was bull****, but beating Haugen by a single point is not something that should happen in the first place.

Your right, but again, Haugen was no gimme. Camacho still should had out pointed him by so much more.

I think they would. I think Nelson's pressure would get to Camacho. And Pendleton was an excellent fighter on his day, beat Mayweather, gave Randall all he could handle (no real different to Rosario-Randall really), beat Bramble etc. With his right hand, I can see Rosario-Camacho all over again. Did you see Pendleton's fight with Whitaker? That was probably Whitaker's most competitive fight at lightweight. Pendleton was something else, actually didn't he win a title? The IBF.

Nelson's chin was pretty good though, as was his punch. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he actually Ko'ed Rosario late.

He would not bring that kind of KO power to LW. I can't see that and Camacho would out point him by fast hands and holding.

If Pendleton lands that bomb you better believe he can take out Rosario.

Yes, I can see that happening, but I can also see him out like Bramble and Garza.


You see, that's the difference between Whitaker and Camacho. When Whitaker got hit, he fired back. Look at the Roger Mayweather fight. Mayweather nails him, and even hits him when he is down. Next round Whitaker is in his face, throwing it right back onto him. He didn't spend the rest of the fight running away like Camacho would have. Look again at the Felix Trinidad fight. A drug-rehabbed Whitaker gets his jaw broken, but he still stays in there and tries to bomb with Tito. What did Camacho do? You guessed it, ran and hugged the whole fight against Tito.

Yes, you have a valid and very strong point. Pea is an ATG and when the going gets tough, he gets tougher.

Yeah I have, and yeah there is a difference.

But anyway, the reason Hector moved up to 140 was? I really don't know.

 

haha, oh yea....Sweet Pea was ridiculous...top 25 atg and one of the best, if not the best, devensive fighter ever...

 

So you admitted you were wrong. Good for you.:good

 

Sweet Pea was an all time great for sure. He beat Oscar imo. Also thinks he beats Floyd if they ever matched up during there primes.

 

Yes. No argument. If I am wrong, I am wrong. Nelson is also an ATG at his weight classes.

 

One of the things that I was most impressed with about Sweat Pea, that most people never mention.... was when he popped up to light middleweight and thoroughly outboxed Julio Cesar Vasquez for the WBA title. The same Vasquez that had just beat the undefeated Winky Wright, dropping him 5 times in the process.

 

****en robbery! atsch

Sweet pea is my all time fav southpaw. :happy

 

top 20 atg.