I made a thread a while back about Duran at 135, saying that he was very likely the most complete fighter I've ever seen and that I probably wouldn't pick anyone over him at the weight. Most were in agreement, but Whitaker was the name always being brought up. I personally can't decide between Duran and Whitaker. I don't think either one clearly wins, but Pernell has always been the fighter I give the best chance too, and I could certainly see him winning. So, say that Whitaker could edge Duran as he holds a stylistic edge over him, who then can beat Whitaker at his best at 135lbs? I don't want it to turn into another Duran-Whitaker thread, so we'll leave Duran out of consideration if you personally do favor him over Whitaker, but who else could have done it?
I'll go ahead and say that Benny Leonard could beat Pernell Whitaker at 135. He could match Whitaker in terms of skills and power.
Angelo Dundee had one of his fighters sparring with Duran. Can't mind his name. But trust me, he gave Duran fits with his movenent and fast punches. Whitaker beats Duran. IMO Whitaker's style would confuse Duran and drop off his workrate and effectiveness. Edwin Viruet made Duran look ordinary as well. Maybe Duran to some people was 'unmotivated' but mainly because Viruet was in front of him. Duran against a come forward, wreckless, type of fighter that night sure would have made him look motivated. Whitaker owns Duran.
Good call, i always thought Duran was a fraud...almost as bad as Buchanan and Dejesus and by association anyone they ever beat or were in the ring with.
Again, don't turn this into another Duran-Whitaker thread. Not considering Duran and leaving that match-up totally out of the equation, who beats Whitaker at 135?
Mosley and De La Hoya might cause Whitaker some difficulty with their blends of speed and power and considerable size advantages although I think Pernell would still beat them. Who else? Maybe Leonard,Williams or even Floyd Mayweather but I'm not real confident about their chances.
Not again For the record I agree with you Whitaker and Leonard are the only two lws I think would beat Duran there. BUT I think the more experienced Duran would beat Whitaker at ww or sww. I wouldn´t put anyone clearly to beat Sweet Pea, Leonard would be a good guess. Henry Armstrong could simply outwork him. But that´s it actually.
Buchanan at his very best, maybe could edge the championship rounds to win a controversial decision. Benny Leonard too, would give Whitaker problems that he had never faced before. Ike Williams had enough speed and power to be a threat for Whitaker for the entire 15 rounds. Beau Jack may of had enough spirit to give Whitaker a real challenge, although anything less than Beau at his very best and Whitaker dominates him. If Whitaker fought under his era's rules and conditions, Joe Gans would have a shout...
No I'm not. "owns" means to me he'd beat him. Said in 'tongue n cheek' as well, as the same word to others would mean a knockout or domination. And I don't give Duran the benefit of the doubt with his reputation and say "Whitaker by a point". I see Whitaker beating him by a slightly wider margin than that.
You were aware of the blatant sarcasm coming from Mantequilla weren't you? Unless you were being sarcastic yourself of course. So hard to tell nowadays.
:good Cheers. However, Duran is anything but a fraud. I hope you never fell for my bait, and it was "Whitaker owns Duran".
It's not all based on reputation Rob, Duran was actually a pretty decent fighter. I think Whitaker could've beaten him at LW given the styles and the issues both fighters had stylistically, but at WW the Montreal or Palomino Duran beats any version of Pea during his WW run.
"Duran was actually a pretty decent fighter". Honest, I never knew that. I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt based on his reputation. Some people are like that. Because Duran is a top 10 "pound for pound" fighter and his strong standing in history, thus he only loses by a point or small margin. I'm not saying you see things like that, but others do. And the WW Duran beats Whitaker. I've said that countless times myself.