Pernell Whitaker v Floyd Mayweather Jr

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I've found that watching a Floyd or Roy Jones fight needs the sound muted and an ignorance of compubox. It also doesn't help that sometimes unfavourable angles distort perceptions of defence and offence. If you watch the Brawl in Montreal, for example, many punches that Leonard threw appear to hit flush, but on replay, you can just see Roberto's reflexive head movements ... similar thing with prime Hagler's headmovement ... sometimes the camera angles make slipped or rolled punches appear as if landed.

I think Floyd suffered from not having the power to keep Castillo honest enough for long enough. I think that sometimes, it's actually quite good to see fighters such as Floyd struggle with the likes of a Castillo, as it allows you to learn more about things that can only be seen in the face of adversity, such as a fighter's intangiables.

Perhaps, an indication of how I rate Floyd versus Pete is that I couldn't envisage Floyd beating Duran, whereas I could see Pete doing it and doing it well.

 

Who's "we"? I do it because that was his nickname, and it's cooler to say than "Pernell".

 

Chico was 33-0 at lightweight when May fought him... that's Mays greatest fight ..and maybe the greatest exhibition of fighting ever produced by a fighter... Whitaker never fought a guy like that at lightweight... Whitaker had noooooo power... he was crafty... but crafty only takes u so far...what May did to Chico should seal the deal... no one beats May at lightweight...PERIOD.

 

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You can laugh but technically he maybe right on the 'at LW', from what I heard of this fight Corrales weighed over 130lbs at 132-133 and they went ahead with the fight anyway. Boxrec doesn't list this and I'm not 100% sure its true but I read it somewhere

 

I find that my scores change based on defensive qualities and sometimes offensive qualities that I missed the first time around. Sometimes, a big mistake I've made is scoring fights based on the perceived overall winner, rather than scrutinising each round, blow by blow, technique by technique. When I first scored the B-Hop and Taylor I, I thought that B-Hop had won by at about two rounds, seeing as I don't tend to score even rounds. Then when you watch it again and score it round by round on defence, effective aggression, ring generalship and offence, I thought that B-Hop perhaps only deserved to keep the belt by a draw verdict.

In Floyd's first fight with Castillo, the fan of Floyd in me would argue that he possibly eeked a draw and at best just deserved the verdict, however, watching it, it just seems as though he got dominated by the much bigger man come fight night. I do think that much of Castillo's work to get inside is uncredited as implied by di tullio. In the second fight, Floyd winning by about four points seems about right to me :huh 8 rounds to 4.

Floyd's clinic of Corrales remains, for me, his most impressive fight, considering how highly Chico was rated coming into the fight. I would hesitate to put too much stock into the quality of Chico on fight night ... regardless of Chico's mental situation in that fight though, Floyd's work was highly impressive to me. Yet, Pete has Chavez, Ramirez II, Haugen ... I just can't see a Floyd performance as impressive as Pete not only beating Chavez on the outside, but counter-intuitively, beating him on the inside too. Come to think of it, Pete was a beast on the inside, perhaps underrated?

 

well, you're certainly passionate but if you're talking about 135 ike williams, duran and armstrong all beat him.

whitaker has a damn fair chance as well and he did have power, just not enough to make a critical difference in most fights

 

Good objective posts...Cheers.

 

Sweet Pea is actually a mispronounciation of the nickname Pernell was given coming out of the Olympics. They called him 'Sweet Pete' and fans as well as commentators mistakenly called him, "Pea" ... Pea stuck.

Meh, just tryna chip in with my thoughts. I haven't been posting properly in, literally, years. I just think it'd be an exciting fight for the purist. One thing that will be of interest is just how 'dirty' Floyd gets after finding that he cannot just muscle Pete on the inside with the forearm in the face that he's been doing throughout his career, without finding that Pete has the strength and the tricks up his sleeve to counter this.

I'm interested in what gameplan people envisage Floyd having to use if he is to outbox Pete cos I don't really see him fighting predominantly with power. I think Floyd would have to be cautious of the trap that Pernell set up for the straight left by shooting the short jab in succession, lulling the fighter in and then throwing the left behind it with the fighter walking onto the punch. Pernell did it really, really well and I can see it working well with Floyd attempting to set up the right hand lead off of either the pull counter or feinting. How would Floyd beat a peak Pernell?

 

My impresion from watching the second fight not just hilights is that Mayweather boxed Castillo's ears off. The second fight should not have been as close as the official scores indacate.