Pernell Whitaker v Manny Pacquaio. 135lbs, 140lbs, 147lbs.

Ok everyone...lets take deep breath and look at this again.

Pac's competition at 135-147...Ricky Hatton, Miguel Cotto, David Diaz and an obviously old and infirm De la Hoya.

Pernell Whitaker's competition at 135-147...(Ill skip some of the lesser names)...Jose Luis Ramirez x 2, Roger Mayweather, Greg Haugan, Azumah Nelson, Freddie Pendleton, James McGirt x 2, Jorge Paez, an unbeaten JULIO CESAR CHAVEZ, ..prime and unbeaten versions of De la Hoya and Felix Trinidad.

How the hell is manny all of a sudden getting a chance here?

Im saying he is very competitive with Sweet Pea and gives him something to think about with his speed. But to suggest he beats him is ludicrous and I really cant understand why people are thinking beating Miguel Cotto and an old De la Hoya gives Pac an edge at 147...its makes absolutely no sense.

 

Whitaker had some ropey performances at 147 against Rivera which i felt he lost, Hurtado which he was losing until scoring a KO, he lost a close fight to DLH, but was handled pretty easily by Tito.

However i still think that, that past prime Whitaker has enough left to shut Manny down, although he did get hit more in some of those fights so you never know.

Anything below that and Whitaker white washes Manny, bad style match up for him imo.

 

I believe Pernell would win at all the weights against Pacquiao.

147 would probably be the toughest, and Manny most definitely on skills, heart, speed and power would provide a stiffer test for Pernell. Pacquiao is just that good right now and he needs to be recognized for his current accomplishments. Pernell would still out-box him, closer in scoring with regards to the heavier weight category, but not before facing some danger against Pacquiao.

Pernell was more than slightly past his peak against Delahoya, and I still to this day believe that fight should have been ruled a draw at the very least, favouring Pernell in the scoring by UD. Pernell made Delahoya miss but didn't make him pay enough.

Oscar has been the receiver of many questionable decisions that might not have ruled in his favour, if the fight locations were neutral without the screaming Delahoya fan base making undue noise for every punch he throws, especially the ones that never landed.

 

I think there is a bit of a misapprehension at work in this thread. Pea at 147 was not solely the man who fought Oscar and DLH, he was also the man who beat McGirt twice. The Pea of the McGirt fights was a top quality welter, a million miles ahead of Cotto.

 

I disagree. As I said in my initial post, I'm not too confident about tipping a Manny win at 147 considering Pac would be giving away serious weight to the best welter version of Oscar, but at 135 or 140 I think Pac would beat him. Whenever you tip against Pac, you seem to list his opponent's strengths only. Do you think Oscar could match Pac for speed, for instance? Because he most certainly would not. Oscar's jab would always be a problem for Manny, but just like the Tito hypothetical, I just think Pac is a special fighter and would beat these guys on his best night. Oscar, Tito and the like were great fighters, but Pacquiao is a special one. It isn't normal to jump from fly to superbantam to welter over a decade, and it isn't normal for your resilience and power to increase as you do it. We are living in the era of a special fighter, who will remembered as such by history in a way his contemporaries will not. Prime Oscar lost to Quartey and Mosley IMO, he was great, but eminently beatable. Much of the reason why Mosley beat him was speed. I see Pac pulling off a similar result at weights where he would not give away too much on fightnight.

 

I can't favour Manny against someone who was such a sweet boxer.

Pea was too sharp and made too damn good use out of his jab for Manny to get going.

I feel wide decisions at all weights.

 

So was Manny. :hey

I didn't expect anyone to vote for Pac at any weight, so I figured I'd at least have Pac's back at one of the weights. While Whitaker is still clearly the more accomplished welterweight fighter (that much I'm not contesting), I think it's a tough thing to say he'd dominate Pac when he never fought a fighter who brought what Manny does to the table. Even if Pernell were to win, I think the matter of how easy he accomplishes it is getting overblown. Conversely, Pac hasn't fought anyone like Pernell; but I'm not suggesting he'd be winning it easily or wide.

The other X factor- Pac has a more judge-friendly style. It's not something people like to discuss, but it counts as much as any number of aspects; if Pea fought a fight the judges deemed too negative, he could well lose the decision vs a fighter who knows how to look great not just to the fans, but to the people scoring the fights. I don't foresee Whitaker knocking Manny out to eliminate that aspect.

 

Whitaker was excellent in his early Welter days. People are confusing the Whitaker post-Vasquez to the Whitaker who beat Chavez and McGirt.

 

I don't believe they are Sweet Pea. It would appear I'm fighting a losing battle here in playing devil's advocate and picking Manny at 147 and I was in the minority to start with.

 

Both at their best, I predict Whitaker by decision in all 3 classes, not contraversial either.

The Floyd-Pac fight should help us in some sort of way when judging this particular match-up.

 

:-(

See Pernell vs Chavez & Mcgirt for proof of your mentalness (I invented that word for fitting occassions)

Ps. The 140 lb Whitaker that shutout Rafeal Pineda would see to it that it would not be very close, believe that ****.

:good

 

Pac WONT get past Mayweather & yes, I will be betting big on that fight, the odds should be kind to me now after Manny`s brilliant Cotto job :yep

 

I rank Pac as the better fighter p4p in their prime but Id pick Oscar in a 147 H2H primes match, likely by TKO, DLH at his peak could make his size work, not like their actual fight.