Pernell Whitaker v Manny Pacquaio

Yeah, except for a 38 year old Shane Mosley, you'd be right.:good

 

This is my opinion. Margarito has been dominated for many rounds before. Quite often, actually. 2 fights before Pacquiao, he was dished such a beating the consensus opinion was that he was finished as a fighter. He looks that way against Garcia, and then Pacquiao beating his ass, showing he lacked the punch of Mosley, is an amazing achievement?

Catchweight bout, bull**** title, against a battered and outclassed foe. Pacquiao is a top 30 ATG, but this isnt even a top 5 win for him.

 

Yeah the reactions to this fight compared to the Clottey one are odd to say the least, especially as lots thought Pac would win beforehand.Maybe it's in part because Margarito has become such a hate figure that people wanted to see beaten down?.Or because it's very impressive that at his size he can beat ok Welters of varying styles at all.

I actually prefer the Clottey win as i was still unsure how much of the Cotto performance was down to my low opinion of Miguel.

 

Whitaker on PTS in both weight classes

 

I thought the Clottey fight would be much closer based on Clotteys defense and his technical counterpunching and was dead wrong. HOWEVER I think the Clottey win highlighted weaknesses, for 1 thing whenever Clottey punched he always seemed to land clean pretty much, Pac had a problem landing clean punches, given CLottey was spoiling this is part the reason but I believe Pac telegraphs what he does a little, which better defensive fighters should pick off imo. Clottey went into his shell against Pacquaio like he did against Margarito/Cotto so he wasn't really. That and the fact being Ghanian he maybe far older than his claimed age

HOWEVER Margarito is a better win than Clottey, Marg beat Cotto and Clottey and I don't think it was just the wraps fighting in the ring

Pacquaio's recent fights may flatter him a little because Hatton, Margarito and Cotto are all hard to miss but he did still make errors. Cotto did pick Pacquaio off himself early in their fight though before getting caught and going into a shell.

Pac's speed, stamina and physical qualities allow him to get away with some of these mistakes he makes. The assumption some of us make is 'a better boxer will expose these flaws'. This maybe true but for all we know his physical qualities may will carry him through against a Mayweather and even a Whitaker

The acid test for Pacquaio is 'can he beat a top level boxer with an A Class defense?'. If he beats Mayweather despite the mistakes he makes a good case can be made for him beating, until that happens he hasn't fought anyone in the dimension of a Whitaker

 

Pacquaio's recent work is awesome but is getting overrated.

I don't care about 15-20 pounds difference, as a heavyweight I spent half my fights dealing with it-No way the versions of Hatton Margarito or Cotto he has fought recently are anywhere close to matching his wins against Marquez, Barrera, Morales, and De La Hoya. I count DLH because that was the one match where Pacquaio moved up in weight that he was actually not supposed to win. He was favored in every other match up, which puts this "weight hopping" phenom business. Judge the fighter over the weight class, and Pac did the best of his phenomenal work light.

He cherrypicks almost as much as Mayweather does. The difference? He's was lower in weight more recently and has a stronger resume. Pacquiao's best wins, 2 of 3, in the last 3 years, Floyd beat first. Pacquaio was a terrific ATG after beating David Diaz,this stuff is just icing and doesnt skew my perceptive of him. He is improving, but only a Floyd fight would truly show us how much. He's fought nobody particularly dynamic or multi-dimensional since Marquez. I feel he's even better than he's able to show us, honestly.

 

I actually agree. I don't think that Mayweather will ever catch Pac on resume, but if they fought and Floyd was in Mosley-Marquez-Baldomir form, I can't see Pacquaio winning. Its a nightmare match for him.

Pac is, however, a nightmare for anybody without a great defense and some speed. If you're on the slow side, have a porous defense, or both, you're not gonna do to well, I think.

 

cotto had one of the best jabs in boxing today and pac eliminated his jab for good.dela hoya fired a lot of jab and caught forbes everytime, he landed very few against pac. clottey who'd banged up with judah, corrales, baldomir and cotto didn't even wanna throw a jab for fear of getting countered. You're take on pac is as old as 2003 when pac was still a one-handed slugger

 

the margarito that mosley fought would have got knocked out by kermit cintron lol

 

Well, if you're comparing Cotto, a shot De La Hoya, and Clottey to a prime Whitaker I don't think we have much more to discuss on this topic.

 

Explain.

 

regardless, pacquiao has proven himself to be a fine technician with speed that rivals that of whitaker and power that could knock out superwelterweights. he wouldn't be out of depth with whitaker and to say he'd be clowned just like that is a stupid generalization. this fight is much closer and harder to predict than it seems