Pernell Whitaker vs Floyd Mayweather at 147

How do you know?

 

In 12 rounds, Sugar Ray Leonard couldnt beat Hearns at his game. :yep

 

You're being flat out biased here, and you know it.

Among Whitaker's other LW wins were Jorge Paez, Juan Nazario, Freddie Pendleton, Roger Mayweather, etc. And if you're considering guys like Corley and Carlos Hernandez, throw in the likes of Alfredo Layne, Louie Lomeli, and Poli Diaz for Pea.

That's a comparison between a fighter at one weight class with a fighter through 3 weight classes, mind you.

What is your point? Our discussion was about power, not the ability to beat up on opponents through accumulation. Pernell had plenty of accumulation stoppages, my point was that Floyd rarely if ever showed the kind of power Floyd did against the fighters I mentioned, outside of maybe Hatton.

N'Dou was not a one punch KO. It was a 3 punch combo of straight rights after the beating he'd been giving him up to that point. Mitchell and Bruseles were body shots, the Mitchell one being pretty controversial given the ref stoppage. I'm not going to take away from Floyd or fault him in those instances though, it would make no sense. But still, I've never seen Floyd do damage early on like Pea did to Nazario and Lomeli, without a period of sustained damage and with single shots. Or against Hurtado, whom Whitaker nearly put in a coma.

Hatton was also not half as skilled as Chavez, especially considering he wasn't even allowed to use his typical fight strategy with Cortez in their reffing.

Anyways, I already conceded that the Hatton fight was one of his best in-fighting affairs, but not neccessarily in terms of strength, more in terms of technique and punch placement against a fighter incapable of dealing with his skills in a clean fight.

The difference is, Pernell walked down and beat up bigger, better fighters than either of these two.

Also, Floyd didn't press against Chavez, he simply countered him to death with clean shots on the inside, though he fought a lot of the fight on the move or with his back to the ropes. And Castillo? Are you insinuating that Floyd got the better of their inside exchanges?

 

20/20 Vision.

 

lol. good comeback

 

i say floyd

 

Absolutely. Whitaker's technical skills were among the very best in the history of the sport, something that gets overlooked by those who like to watch his defensive highlights more than his full length fights.

First of all, when Oscar was applying pressure behind the jab and going to work on the inside, he was winning the fight. I had it 4 rounds to 3 for Oscar after 7, at which point he started to gas as per usual and Floyd took over in the center of the ring. Second of all, Oscar is not a great in-fighter, nor has he ever been, nor a great pressure fighter. And he was briefly buckled by a straight right, he wasn't close to being KO'd.

The problem when making comparisons like this is that we're comparing how Floyd prepares for guys like Hatton and Judah with how he'd prepare for Whitaker. They're not even comparable situations, and I've already pointed out Pea's advantages in a head to head matchup, so I don't see what gameplan Floyd would be able to implement. It was obvious what he was going to do against guys like Hatton and Baldomir, given the edges he held, same with most of his WW opposition. But I can't see any straight forward gameplan for him to beat Whitaker. He'd need to adapt in this one.

 

I'll be back to answer your posts later, I'm off for now.

 

Most of the guys you listed were never serious contenders, and at best were just outside the level of Journeymen. Comparing Carlos Hernandez to Alfredo Layne???? Layne was the definition of a Journeymen. I'd also rank the win over Carlos Hernandez higher then Lomeli and Diaz, since Carlos Hernandez actually held a strap in his career.

If you say Freddie PEndleton I say Emmanuel Augustus. Roger Mayweather was nothing more then a gatekeeper most of his career, like a Demarcus Corley.

And? How does that work in Pea's favor? Floyds body of work from 130-140 pretty much an 8 year span like Pea's at 135 is better, then thats the better resume is it not?

Plenty of accumulation stoppages? Where? I dont see any? Like I said, he only had a handful of stoppages in a 10 year period. Floyd Mayweather has been at 60% nearly his whole career. Making an opponent quite through accumulation of punches means you are putting damage to him. You are hurting him or outclassing him to the point he gives up or the corner throws in the towel. Pea didnt have enough power to do that.

it was the same series of punches that Whitaker landed on Hurtado. A series of straight right hands.

Whitaker nearly put Hurtado into a coma because the ref allowed Whitaker to stand there and pummel Hurtado while he was out on the ropes, hell he was falling over the ropes and the ref allowed Whitaker to pummel him. He not only put Hurtado into a coma he could have killed him. But considering Floyds career of having more TKO's and KO's, issuing more damage to his opponents I still say he was stronger then Whitaker, had more punching power aswell. What punch in Pea's arsenal was as devastating as Floyds right hand and left hook have been for most of his career?

Never said he was. I said that he was going to barrel into you regardless of what you threw at him. Watch the Zoo fight. Zoo lands some of the most devastating shots I've ever seen him land on anyone. And Hatton just keeps coming forward. With Hattons style, very little could have caused Hatton to take a step back, but Floyd did multipe occasions, catching Hatton with a series of combinations and having him step back. As for Hattons mauling style, Floyd answered everyone of those Hatton hugs with an elbow to Hattons face, and you can tell it was bothering Hatton.

You claim he walked down Buddy. I've only seen the first fight, where it was more of a technical duel. I'll take your word on it, but I've never seen him really walk anyone down, more of a dominating from inside a pocket, constantly turning is opponent.

Never said he did press Chavez. I said he beat Chavez on the inside. As for Castillo, I cant remember what rounds it was, round 9,10 or 11, but Floyd did get the best of Castillo in exchanges on the inside when he had no choice because he thought he was losing the fight.

 

Danny_Rand, whether or not you are correct, you must be one of the most well-educated Mayweather fans around here.

Me salutes you! :respect

 

yeah, he is. he also knows his stuff.

 

Yep, respect to the man.

Btw doesn't "well-educated" mean "he knows his stuff"? :think

 

What I meant by "he also knows his stuff" is that along with some other posters, he knows his stuff too.

 

thanks. :good It helps growing up in the same area.

I have Pea as the second greatest fighter of the last 20 years. Behind roy and a spot ahead of Floyd. Head 2 head I think its a toss up. I would definitley love to have seen it though.

 

I believe that too. A pick em fight. I'd favour Pernell by a nose ( something like 51-49 or 52-48 ), but Floyd would definitely have a good chance to win. You as well as Sweet Pea make some good points.

Damn I'd like to see a fight between them prime vs prime.