Pernell Whitaker vs Ike Williams

That's also extreme. We're seeing the worst of both worlds here.

However, foot-work could well be the decider.

 

I think its a 50-50 fight and could come down to who is having the better day.

 

If it was all about experience and number of bouts, then inexperienced fighters would never beat experienced fighters but it happens all the time:

Patterson-Moore
Jones-Toney
Whitaker-Ramirez
Whitaker-Chavez

Burt did you pick Chavez and Ramirez over Whitaker to? They both had way more fights

 

Styles make fights and sometimes greats dominate other greats. Williams would plod and Whitaker outmanouvered everyone, Ike needs to get to mid range and with the footwork disparity I can't see it happening. I can't see Ike getting past the jab and I can't see him landing much either.

Hence my shut out call, maybe Ike would win a couple of rounds if Pernel takes a round off

 

Yeah, thinking about it, you do have a point. (I thought it was one of your trademark dismissive "modern guy beats old guy by schooling shut-out" calls.) I guess Whitaker is just going to be backing off, sticking the jab and Williams isn't getting off. Could be wide.

 

Burt nothing personal, but I have to say this, the highlighted part is pure ignorance of Whitakers ability's, absolute bull****.

again nothing personal, but I had to say it.

 

Power Puncher At age of 31 Chavez was past his peak, and yes I did pick Chavez to win...
You know darn well when i talk head to head I mean fighters in their primes...What I want to convey is this criteria for judging Williams vs Whitaker...Would Whitaker at his best fighting Ike Williams opponents
[155 fights] do as well as Ike did in the 1940s ? Not so,say I...There were a great crop of lightweights those tougher days....Conversly, would Ike Williams fighting Pernell Whitakers 46 opponents do as well as Pernell dids ? You bet your boots Ike would....As Joe Louis famously said "He
can run but he [Pernell] can't hide "...Ike Williams was a taut lean fighting machine in his prime,and a great combination puncher....

 

Whitaker was 29 and a little past prime himself and there was only 2 years between the 2. Most accept Whitaker would always beat Chavez

Personally I think Whitaker would beat most LWs in history, he was a level above his competition of his time and would be a level nearly anyone in history who stepped in the ring with him (at lightweight that is)

 

I was most impressed with Whitaker when he was 35 years old, way past his peak and lasted the distance with a bigger primeFelix Trinidad in 1999.
Trinidad then was at his peak...Whitaker was impressive to me in that losing effort...

 

If you think the corpse that washed up on the sea shore for Trinidad, ten years removed from his prime, represented his best showing, then no wonder you're making embarassingly stupid comments about him not being good enough to even win a title in the 1940s.

How much of Whitaker have you actually seen?

 

Why are you twisting what I posted...Did I not say I was IMPRESSED by a past peak THIRTY FIVE year old Whitaker even lasting the distance with a prime welterweight Felix Trinidad ? I said this in my post so why distort what I wrote.And Whitaker was 35 so he was not TEN years past his peak,as you wrongly post...
Yes I said that Whitaker would not be lightweight champion in the 1940s.
because I believe Bob Montgomery, Beau Jack,and Ike Williams were better, and SO WOULD WHITAKER have been better if he fought much more often against numerous seasoned fighters that the 1940s spawned.
Remember "practice makes perfect "...And Ike Williams fighting 46 fights
would nowhere develop the skills, he did in a much richer laden era....
Whitaker was the best in his time, but Williams had to overcome greatervfighters than Pernell did.IMO...

 

I have never seen Whitaker live as I did Ike Williams , but I watched about EVERY fight shown on TV in his prime ...A great defensive fighter, but I go for the swarming dynamos like Beau Jack, Henry Armstrong,Ike Williams and Roberto Duran...That is why the great Willie Pep was matched and beat a great boxing lightweight Willie Joyce, but would not
attempt to fight Beau Jack or Ike Williams...He knew better to tackkle these bigger guys..Styles make fights....

 

Whitaker says he fought 500 amateur bouts, so he actually has more experience