Pernell Whitaker vs Sugar Ray Leonard

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  1. Bad_Intentions

    Bad_Intentions Boxing Addict Full Member

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    this is hard.

    whitaker would make leonard look bad in a couple of rounds with his magnificent defense (bopping and weaving around). but in the later rounds i see leonard winning the fight.

    Leonard UD 12th round
     
  2. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    Whitaker more times then not couldn't or didn't recapture the magic he displayed at 135.
     
  3. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bonds was to Ray what Mildenberger was to Ali, somebody who would have been taken out in a third of the time if boxing from an orthodox stance.
    But Hagler was a past prime switch hitter who inexplicably started their match from an orthodox stance. A little later on, Marv was indeed better boxing Ray as a southpaw.
    Yes, it most certainly is nitpicking, but against a defensive wizard of Whitaker's caliber, this tiny pebble would grow into a boulder. (I refuse to use the princess and the pea parable when discussing Pernell. Too easy and unimaginative.)
    Do you really believe Whitaker would contemplate trying to match him physically? Ray would begin to imagine that Pernell was dematerializing after a few rounds.
    No, during Carlos Padilla's prefight instructions, Ray whispered to Wilfred, "If you let me win the title, I'll let you date my hot sister!" Deal!
    I tend to favor the bone fracturing Cuevas as the hardest hitting WW ever, but unlike Tommy, Jose was never in a position of being able to hit without getting hit. Duran certainly showed that a former featherweight (remember, Cholo KO ten Marcel) with a non light heavyweight reach could also outpoint SRL handily over 15.
    How the heck did I wind up making a case for a 12 round fighter anyways? (Juvenile Dementia most likely.)
    Thanks for blowing my cover! (How'd you figure out my true identity anyway?):oops:

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  4. Street Lethal

    Street Lethal Active Member Full Member

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    Whitaker has too much talent. Leonard wouldn't be able to figure him out. But I suspect the judges would give the fight to Leonard anyway.
     
  5. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Whitaker never had a shakey chin. His knockdowns were usually because he was crouching down low and getting clipped on the top of the head, combined with being off balance in an unorthodox way. He was always up as quickly as possible.

    I'm not saying Leonard couldn't stop Whitaker at welterweight, but Whitaker's defense and smart ring generalship would make life difficult for him to achieve such a feat.
     
  6. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The verision of Pernell Whitaker who domanated Chavez vs the Version of Sugar Ray Leonard who made Duran quit and beat Hearns. I don't have a solid answer. I'm sure I will get some disagrement with this but I think Whitaker is slightly better than Leonard at 147. However Whitaker could not clame domance over Leonard, and Leonard was defently a big fight boxer.
    I honestly think if they were to fight 10 times they could easly go 5-5.
     
  7. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Since we are on the subject of Leonard and Whitaker. I feel that Whitaker is a more skilled all round fighter. But he was considerably slower at welterweight than at lightweight. Whitaker's perfomance against Chavez was a lovely display, but not what you would call "superfast" with his hands.

    Leonard has the edges in speed and power at welterweight. Its an interesting fight, but one Leonard would win.
     
  8. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Whitaker and Leonard. It sure is a fight with "TALENT" written all over it.

    Whitaker's win over Vasquez is more impressive than Leonard's over Lalonde. Not in terms of how they won, but just moving up in weight against naturally much bigger opponents and pulling it off. Probably everyone would agree, Vasquez was a more accomplished fighter at 154lbs than Lalonde was at 175lbs. Thats the main reason I'm more impressed with Whitaker's win. Leonard against Lalonde was an event, with Whitaker's 12 round decision over Vasquez being another "simple" HBO date on their callendar.
     
  9. Sonny Carson

    Sonny Carson Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It would be a draw and the judges would give the fight to Leonard.
     
  10. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Leonard was better at the weight imo so Leonard by dec.
     
  11. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The word always was not applicable see---> Norris, Duran, Hearns, & Camacho
     
  12. Sweet Science

    Sweet Science Peaceful Muslim Warrior Full Member

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    I agree with you. I think it would defo go to the cards but IMO it would be a very tight decision for Leonard.
     
  13. Executioner

    Executioner Boxing Addict Full Member

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  14. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He did use the word "always" but does "always" mean over a short portion of a career in which he didn't lose any fights? because everyone has a streak going for them. Cuevas then always destroyed people until Hearns destroyed him.

    I take Always to mean over the length of a career as was the case with Marciano or Bowe.
     
  15. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Sweatpea has nothing Sugar Ray cant handle.
    Leonard by UD
     
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