Pernell Whitaker vs Vasyl Lomachenko at 135

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by MarkusFlorez99, Mar 4, 2021.

How would this battle of the generations play out

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  1. Whitaker UD

    69 vote(s)
    71.1%
  2. Lomachenko UD

    13 vote(s)
    13.4%
  3. Whitaker KO

    11 vote(s)
    11.3%
  4. Lomachenko KO

    4 vote(s)
    4.1%
  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    After Teofimo broke the Hyptrix, now no one in their right mind would pick Lomachenko against any of the Greats knowing how dominated he was by a guy he was supposed to destroy.
     
  2. Pimp C

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    I wouldn't expect any other response.
     
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  3. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Of course he isn't big for 135 lbs division.
    Look on him vs Campbell, Campbell too was big for Loma and for me looked dangerous for Loma. Bigger, reach advantage.
    I once had posted also link where Lopez told that Loma is more suitable for 126&130 lbs and he is too big for Loma.
     
  4. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Interestingly how he " broke " Loma? Ohh, yeah, Loma is EE boxer therefore for you he had been " broken " down etc.

    Not that much he had been dominated.
    OK, lost close fight.
    Lopez and Campbell did not managed get Loma down. Ofc now will appear opinions how bad Campbell was etc alike stuff. Campbell managed to drop Ryan who is pretty large for 135 lbs division. With Loma he did nothing.
    Linares gave him more problems than Campbell. OK, he KOed Linares, until this Linares still looked dangerous for Loma with chances to win.

    So bad this small Loma is etc like talks.
     
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  5. shadow111

    shadow111 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Here's the problem, going into that match much of this forum were still trying to make the argument that Loma was #1 P4P, ahead of Canelo and Crawford. Then he got blown out by Teofimo, making the argument that he was ever P4P a complete joke.

    Don't get me wrong, Lomachenko is a very talented fighter, his footwork is incredible. But injuries have taken their toll on Loma and we could see that even before he fought Teofimo, yet that didn't stop most of this forum for still arguing that Lomachenko was P4P #1. People like me saw the writing on the wall, knew that Lomachenko was nowhere near #1 P4P, due to injuries and due to his own limitations, struggling at times in the past vs basic fighters, while Canelo or even Crawford was dominating the fighters they were supposed to.

    So when Lomachenko got completely exposed vs Teofimo, that result only proved what I had been saying all along, that as talented as Lomachenko is, that he was not P4P #1 material, and the way he lost to Teofimo, barely throwing any punches, clearly struggling with a bad injury, left no doubt that the people who still were arguing Loma was P4P #1 were completely delusional. You can't be P4P #1 with a nagging career threatening injury that prevents from you being competitive in rounds.
     
  6. Surrix

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    Well, I do have different criteria for term " exposed " and I think Loma had been exposed only by Linares, this fight showed a) Loma is too small for 135 lbs b) It had showed some Loma's weaknesses. Yeah, " exposed " for me means different meaning, regardless had boxer won this fight or no.
    Nor Salido nor Lopez had " exposed " Loma. Linares did this.

    Best boxer Crawford ever had in the ring was Mean Machine.
    If Crawford had fight with Spence Jr, he had more respect from even if he had lost this one.
    In comparision, clenbuterelo Canelo does have my respect for fight vs Floyd Jr. despite he had lost this one.
    Fact that he is too small for 135 lbs? Sure, of course. Linares and especially Campbell fights showed this with a glance and this regardless that Loma had won these fights.
    Injuries too does take their tool here and Loma is a bit old for this weight class too.
     
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  7. Surrix

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    Fore example, I will take fight Dorticos vs Briedis.
    Yes, real facts are ; WBSS2 era Briedis looked out of prime and really didn't throw anything with 100%.
    Dorticos still did with him really absolutely nothing. If compare with what had happened with legit undefeated contender in Tabiti, injuries free and younger than Dorticos.
    I will not call Dorticos as exposed just because he lost this fight. He performed according expectation and his opponent appeared to be in a bit better shape than in his ( Briedis ) last 2 fights. That's all.
     
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  8. Pakkuman

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    How did Lomachenko get exposed? Teofimo's performance was underwhelming, if anything. He didn't dominate or put a beating on Lomachenko.

    Do you think if Pac had a guy in the ring that was 10-15 pounds lighter than him that he wouldn't destroy him?
     
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  9. Surrix

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    Prime Pac of course, I think 99,9% chances.
     
  10. mark ant

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    Loma was better than Oscar a an olympian, Oscar struggled in the olympics and his lightweight opponents were nowhere near Loma`s level.
     
  11. mark ant

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    Teo fought a smart fight and Loma didn`t simple as that.
     
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  12. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Loma is the most skilled fighter of all-tme but let himself down by not setting up his shots v Lopez, Nonoe of Pea`s lightweight opponents were as good as Lopez.
     
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  13. MarkusFlorez99

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    Most skilled ? Nah. He definitely has all time great foot work but he's shown vulnerability against the likes of Linares and Lopez, he's small as well so against true all time greats and some all time elite level fighters i dont think I'd favor him
     
  14. shadow111

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    It proved that Lomachenko just ain't P4P #1 Material. The people who said Loma was P4P #1 ahead of Canelo and Crawford obviously had no clue what they were talking about.
     
  15. iii

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    Even a stopped clock gets it right...
     
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