Perspective on Wlad, and the HW division

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Loudon, Nov 15, 2014.


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  1. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    I cant believe the argument over something so basic is still going on.

    Old fighters don't start losing because they forgot their skills. They lose because their declining athleticism doesn't allow those skills to be functional at a world class level anymore or the mileage compromises their strength/durability too much.

    It's common sense. Something that increases your athleticism lets you get away with taking risks that get you knocked out without it.

     
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  2. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    Herol G really is something special isnt he? :risas3:
     
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  3. Todd498

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    He’s actually dumber than LOUDon.
     
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  4. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Didnt even know he was still posting. I have him on ignore. Best place for him
     
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  5. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    I think he just craves attention.
     
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    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Hes been hiding since I questioned him on one of his posts and he obviously didnt want to answer
     
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  7. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    That could be the case. He seemed to post on subjects he didnt know much about
     
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  8. Todd498

    Todd498 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    After I replied to his little “All day every day” comment the little tease disappeared!! :D All talk that little hoe bag is.
     
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  9. HerolGee

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    but it doesnt make you more skilled.

    you are simply saying that anything which helps you train may make you reach your peak ability quicker. It doesnt boost your ability, so Jones would have had his skills whatever.

    you aim to hone your skills before a fight whatever you are on. The drugs dont maker them better. Jones didnt gain skill from them, so his level of skill is the same regardless. You cant argue that he lost skill.
     
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  10. mirkofilipovic

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    I already went over these things, it helps you use your skills with much more proficiency.
     
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  11. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    u think jones skills wouldnt exist without a PED he took once in his career. Great evidence. Back it up.
     
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  12. mirkofilipovic

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    You lunatic, I said he wouldnt have been able to use those skills the way he did without PED’s. PED’s made him better at using those skills.
     
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  13. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Why do you keep replying to me you clown?

    Why have you sent me memes?

    Again, no, the posters in question didn't troll me.

    Don't concern yourself with the length of my posts. Instead, focus on why I keep getting notifications, despite the fact that I've now explained to you 3 times why the thread was made, and that I've got zero issue with Wlad, and that I wish he was still active.

    It seems that you're the guy with OCD.

    Let it go.
     
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  14. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Todd,

    Oh my.

    You're so hopelessly out of your depth, I genuinely feel sorry for you.

    I've been a member here for over 5 years now, yet I've never seen anybody struggle as hard as you.

    What a mess.


    Let me try and simplify things the best I can for you:

    In this current thread, people are looking at what may have happened in a fantasy fight between Roy and GG at MW.

    Do you understand?

    At MIDDLEWEIGHT.


    Glen Johnson knocked Roy out when he'd had 50 fights, and when he was coming off of the back of the Tarver knockout just 3 months prior, at LIGHT-HEAVYWEIGHT.

    That was a completely different fighter, to the version of Roy who'd fought Tate at 25, a decade earlier at MW.

    Comparing the versions of Roy who'd beaten Malinga and Tate etc, to the versions who'd lost to Tarver and Johnson, would be like comparing the versions of Tyson who'd beaten Spinks and Holmes etc, to the ones who'd lost to Williams and McBride.

    In this fantasy thread: We are looking at the best version of GG, vs the best version of Roy, who again, fought at MIDDLEWEIGHT. Therefore, GG wouldn't have been fighting the washed up LHW version of Roy.

    Do you understand?

    GG would have fought the version of Roy who'd iced Tate at 25. Whereas Roy would have fought the version of GG who'd fought the likes of Brook.

    After watching his performances against Jacobs and Canelo, many people are now claiming that GG is on the slide. Yet when he ended up fighting Brook instead of Eubank, NOBODY said that.


    So:

    No, Roy losing at 35, doesn't mean that GG would have beaten him at 25.

    Yes, Brook easily tagging GG at MW, means that Roy would have tagged him even easier. Because again, he'd have been fighting THAT version. Not that it really matters, as GG as ALWAYS been easy to hit.

    Hopefully, your brain can comprehend this information.


    Kell has a 69" reach, and he landed easily and frequently, until he was overpowered.

    Roy has a 74" reach, and at MW, he possessed incredible hand speed, great reflexes, and one punch knockout power in either hand.

    This is Roy at 30, up at LHW:

    https://imgur.com/gallery/dkADuyL

    He was even faster at MW when he was 25.


    You really don't need to be this guy to figure out what would have happened:

    https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=https://ianfarrington.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/peter-flak-as-columbo-007.jpg&imgrefurl=https://ianfarrington.wordpress.com/2015/08/26/my-10-favourite-episodes-of-columbo/&docid=an4iP9wyQibXVM&tbnid=w3IOs-t5poOBOM:&vet=10ahUKEwiplOqBjpzXAhWJFewKHU2BCUIQMwi5AigIMAg..i&w=1200&h=720&hl=en-gb&client=safari&bih=672&biw=1024&q=columbo&ved=0ahUKEwiplOqBjpzXAhWJFewKHU2BCUIQMwi5AigIMAg&iact=mrc&uact=8


    Now go away and try and process this information.

    I highly recommend that you read this post at least 3 times, just to give yourself a fighting chance.

    If you want to take this further, then I'll gladly oblige you Mr. Emoji man.


    This is me and you when we debate:

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  15. Todd498

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    Hahahaha!! :D ^^^^^^ “I REALLY wasn’t going to reply to you but...”

    Looks like I triggered your dumbass yet again LouDUMB :) And again.. you prove to be too stupid to comprehend what I and many others have said. Roy never beat ANYONE like GGG at middleweight and his glass chin being exposed wasn’t do to old age. It was do to him finally stepping up against a puncher (GGG hits harder than Tarver) and getting clipped with the first solid shot he was hit with. You keep saying that a GGG victory isn’t a sure thing... well neither is a Roy win! Lol

    Toney was weight drained and dehydrated as hell when Roy got by with a UD against him. Hopkins at 160 hadn’t came into his own yet.

    It’s a hypothetical matchup you idiot :D Give it up! People here can think GGG wins. And it’s a VERY strong possibility if we had a time machine. But we don’t. Lol

    Oh and before I forget...

    LouDUMB:pipi:headbash

    :b1::banana::dancer2:
     
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