Perspective on Wlad, and the HW division

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Loudon, Nov 15, 2014.


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  1. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wtf, you're claiming roids give huge performce benefits but it didn't help rjj because roids don't increase ones skills, they ONLY let one use their skills too a higher level than without them ?

    Ok, of course it didn't increase ones skills, it let's athletes utilize their skills to a higher level than they ever could without them..

    Peds don't increase talent but it let's athletes operate at a level they never could without them.. I'm confused, is rjj the only one who gained nothing but everything from them ?
     
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  2. Heavyrighthand

    Heavyrighthand Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wlad was a supremely talented and disciplined professional athlete of the very highest level

    A pure class fighter who steamrolled everyone for ten years during his reign.


    I highly doubt we will see someone on his level again for quite some time
     
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  3. Todd498

    Todd498 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    This is how it ALWAYS ends for you after losing debates on here :) This is how I flatline you. Lol! Below has never happened to GGG ;) But it’s happened to your hero how many times??! Lol

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    Refresh my memory... but wasn’t that ****ing goofball Jones wearing a SUPERMAN shirt all through his training camp leading up to this fight?

    :risas3: That dome of his bounced off the canvas like a basketball.

    “B.. Bu.. But that was OLD ROY DOE!”

    Lol 34 years old. Yeah he was a real grandpa!
     
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  4. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Vlad was champion for over a decade and was military world champion, International Champion and won the gold medal in the Olympics super heavyweight division..............one of the best ever.....................those who claim Vlad can't fight are Wilder worshipers, they think Wilder is the greatest heavyweight in boxing history, yes, Wilder did beat Sconiers, Nichols, and many more winos from the alley! Wilder is a damned fraud. Wilder has never fought a legit fighter in his entire fake career.............
     
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  5. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    I'm not, end of your thread. I am claiming jones used one once - again, end of your argument.

    which leaves me ask...why didnt you put the bunny back in the box?
     
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  6. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    It's like his goal is to show boxing fans what Orwellian propaganda would look like if Orwell were drunk and in love with Roy Jones.
     
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  7. Todd498

    Todd498 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Well said. Only complete idiots and Plague Rats would try to argue this. And certain individuals like to point out his reign as being against “Weak” competition. It really wasn’t. Prime Wladimir just made guys like prime Chagaev, Ibragimov, Haye, Povetkin etc look weak.

    Holmes level of competition during his run was NOT better. Checkout some of his defenses. Lol
     
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  8. Phelps-Brady

    Phelps-Brady Slicker than Raspberry ripple banned Full Member

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    You got trolled.. Admit it :lol:

    Is it our fault you're gullible?
     
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  9. Unpopular

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    Exactly :deal: Great post
     
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  10. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    You flatline me by showing me posts of Roy getting knocked out after 50 fights, in his 3rd weight class?

    No, you just show how desperate you are when you can't counter my points.

    This is your "go to" video as a last line of defence.

    I don't care about this video. Post up the Tarver one etc. It makes no difference.

    If GG had fought a peak version of Roy at MW, he wouldn't have been fighting the above version.

    Roy was 35 not 34. Although he wasn't particularly old, he'd got many miles on the clock.

    GG's hardcore fan base are already claiming that he's slipping, which is why the Jacobs fight was so close. Yet he's not fought 50 fights, nor as he moved up and down in weight like Roy did.

    We don't know how he'd fare putting his body through that. We don't even know he'd fare at SMW.


    If this is the best you've got, I wouldn't even bother with another reply.
     
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  11. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Another great post.

    No, Roy never beat anybody like GG at MW. But again, throughout his career, he beat fighters who were bigger, stronger, faster, and who were as/more skilled. He reigned for 10 years over different styles, across 4 divisions. Whereas GG has just scraped by Danny Jacobs.

    Yes, GG has great power. But would he have had the opportunity to have landed it with a 70" reach, on an opponent that was so elusive, and one who'd have found him so easily?

    Does GG hit harder at 160, than Tarver did at 175?

    He damn sure doesn't hit as hard as a 235 pound John Ruiz. Yet Ruiz never had the opportunity to catch Roy. It's no good owning a gun if you don't have any bullets.

    I've no problem with anyone saying that GG could have won, only with the people who think it would have been a given.

    Any knowledgeable fan would had to have favoured Roy.
     
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  12. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    You have serious issue.

    Admit it.
     
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  13. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I feel like a professor after reading your posts.
     
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  14. Ilikeboxing

    Ilikeboxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is GGG at his best.
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    I'm a massive Brook fan but can say without a 2nd thought he'd be knocked out in 2 rounds in the with him during that time. Roy Jones does at MW as well.
     
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  15. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I've been reading your comments to Herol.

    It appears that you actually wanted to debate for once.

    You were never willing to debate in the same manner with me.

    You've made some good points on the last few pages. Yet all I got from you was fictional quotes, and comments such as: "PEDS gave Roy his speed"
     
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