Pete Rademacher, worst management ever?

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  1. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How is it possible that your manger puts you into the ring in your pro debut with the heavyweight champion Floyd Patterson who's 32-1? Then they followed that up with a match against Zora Folley who was 41-2-2.
    The only other terrible management on this level that comes to mind was ole man O'Grady putting his son Sean in the ring with Danny Little Red Lopez when he was 17 years old, and this was after Little Red had just ko'ed Rueban Olivares! Are there other bad matches that approach this level for a young pro?
     
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  2. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    One could make the argument that getting your fighter a title shot as a debutant makes you an amazing manager.
     
  3. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Do some research on prior threads and get the real story on this fight. Rademacher was his own manager. He was a 28-year-old mature man with a college education who found the investors who put up all the money for the fight. He was realizing the dream of his lifetime. As they say, it could only happen in America!
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, I don't agree that it's bad management. It's just different. Naoya Inoue was thrown to wolves with very little amatuer experience and no pro experience to speak of. Brilliant management.

    What were Pete's expectations and what money did he expect to make behind the fight? Were those expectations met? Good management doesn't just mean winnable fights, it means maximum return on the risk you take.
     
  5. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Nothing compares to LaBarba's first 11 fights consisting of Jimmy McLarnin x3, Newsboy Brown and Frankie Genaro. The results are just as bizarre, with him utterly thrashing Genaro in one sided fashion, arguably wining the draw against Brown, and always giving McLarnin all he could handle despite never winning.
     
  6. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jimmy Ellis - was thrown in with Hurricane Carter, Georgie Benton, Henry Hank, Don Fullmer, Holly Mims (twice), Rory Calhoun, Wilfie Greaves and Johnny Morris. And that was within his first 20 fights. Talk about being thrown in at the deep end of the pool.

    Nipper Pat Daly - was turned pro by his wonderful manager Professor Andrew Newton before his 10th birthday and retired before his 18th birthday with 118 bouts under his belt. His wonderful manager kept putting the kid in with hard fight after hard fight with incredible rapidity until he was completely burned out. Newton justified this by saying, "The lad thrives on hard work." What a guy!
     
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  7. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was his own manager? Reminds me of what lawyers always say,,"Anyone who represents himself in court has a fool for a client"
    I'd say that fits here.
     
  8. Terror

    Terror free smoke Full Member

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    Maskaev is my usual pick for worst managed. Debuted against a 20-0 bronze medalist Miroshnichenko, 6th fight against Kulpin who had a close fight with Johnny Nelson and beat Julius Francis in his next fight, 7th fight against Oliver McCall, 12th fight against David Tua. Before 20 fights he had also fought Rahman, Alex Stewart, NZ HW champ Tasefa (who later fought Valuev). Apparently he had a chunk of missing fights from his early career that were disqualified due to being exhibitions or amateur in nature, but still a ridiculous strength of opposition for a new pro--in a sport where people typically don't face live opponents until 20-25 fights in, even later now.
     
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  9. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    I don't think so.
    He got paid. Most fighters never get to fight for the heavyweight championship, especially when there was only one to fight for. And he made history by doing it in his first fight.
     
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  10. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Maskaev is the worst HW champ of the 21st century IMHO. Competition aside his team got him a belt he defended. I don't consider it a real belt but most people do. With the new 0 culture its all about picking the opponents that garner the most respect for the smallest risk and Maskaevs team won the game.

    And in the 50s it was very very difficult to get title shots at HW. Even by 1 belt era standards.
     
  11. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Not only did he get paid; he also dropped Patterson. I can think of plenty of Gold medalists who could’ve beaten Patterson in their pro debut.
     
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  12. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    If he turned pro at 10, who did he fight? Surely they wouldn't have put him in the ring with a grown man and I would guess there weren't many 10 year old pros to match him with.
     
  13. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But it sure didn't work out career wise did it? Obviously the guy could fight, he did collect a win over Chuvalo if I'm not mistaken but he never had the chance to progress as a professional.
     
  14. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    He was a successful businessman who died at 91. He did a lot better than Quarry and Chuvalo.
     
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  15. PRW94

    PRW94 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's obvious that a "career" wasn't his priority, at his age he was looking to grab some cash and move on. Everyone isn't interested in progressing toward a legacy.
     
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